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  •  And As Head of the DSCC (1+ / 0-)
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    john from vermont

    ....he taints every Democratic candidate for Senate.

    Charles Schumer is to torture as David Irving is to the Holocaust -- an intellectually and morally depraved denier. His mere presence in the Democratic Party is shameful.

    •  BS. I'm not gonna defend Schumer's Mukasey (6+ / 0-)

      vote but you're inability to seperate his role as lawmaker and campaign election engineer is ridiculous.

      The guy is a fundraising machine and if you like the fact that we even have a Democratically-controlled Judiciary committee, Schumer deserves some credit.

      He's done a great job as the head of the DSCC.

      Also, you wanna talk about shameful Democrats? Give me a fucking break! Schumer has one of the most liberal voting records in the caucus! He's voted us out of Iraq all year, voted AGAINST the military Commissions Act in the 109th Congress and he voted AGAINST the confirmation of both Justices Alito and Roberts.

      If this is your barometer of a "Shameful Democrat" than prepared to jettison another dozen Democrats. If you think Schumer and DiFi will be the only Yes votes Mukasey gets from our caucus you're dreaming.

      I'm supporting Chris Dodd, and his plan to create the Rapid Response Reserve Corps.

      by Skulnick on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:14:33 AM PST

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      •  Any Democrat (0+ / 0-)

        ......who votes for Mukasey is a piece of collaborationist scum who should be marched through the streets with a shaved head wearing an orange jumpsuit.

        •  Seriously (4+ / 0-)
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          vcmvo2, KenBee, Skulnick, Tybalt

          the "perfect" person doesn't exist, so you might as well be prepared to march every single person in the world through the streets with a shaved head and wearing an orange jumpsuit.

          •  I'm Not Asking for Perfection (0+ / 0-)

            The question of making common cause with torture apologists and promoters is quite clear to me as a bright line issue.

            Apparently you have a more flexible view about maintaining friendly relations with torturers, torture apologists, and torture promoters.

            Allies of necessity should never be confused with friends or leaders.

            •  Yeah, you are asking for perfection (6+ / 0-)

              because apparently all of Schumer's work to help end the war, to provide insurance for everyone, to give us a progressive Senate are all for naught because he decided to vote for Mukasey on issues NOT having to do with torture (civil rights and the politicization of the justice department).

              I disagree with the vote, and obviously you do. Fine. The difference between you and me is that I'm not ready to jettison the entire progressive agenda in spiteful protest over that vote.

              There's a bigger picture at stake, no matter how obnoxious that single vote might be.

              •  Schumer is Solidly Center-Right, not Progressive (1+ / 0-)
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                ....and his claim that he voted for Mukasey because issues other than torture trump the torture issue is not remotely credible.

                Schumer voted for the AUMF and he voted for Kyl-Lieberman. The claim that he is a meaningful opponent of this war is similarly lacking in credibility. Any claim to the contrary is tendentious cherry-picking and insubstantial hype.

                His vote for torture is of a piece with his support for the AUMF, his support for Kyl-Lieberman, his support for extrajudicial assassination, his vote for the Patriot Act, his support for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, and his support for the Israeli use of cluster bombs against civilian populations.

                You're right that there's a bigger picture at stake, but wrong about it being a matter of a single vote.

                Schumer stands in the same relation to the worst elements of the Likud and Kadima and their sympathizers among American voters as Trent Lott stands in relation to the worst elements of Mississippi's Concerned Citizens Council and the Klan and their sympathizers among American voters.

                That's the big picture, and it's a shameful spectacle to see decent people turning backflips to maintain their denial.

        •  Hey... (1+ / 0-)
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          don't be dissing orange

          GOP stands for Grand Old Problem.

          by LennyLiberal on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:38:56 PM PST

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      •  Wow, it is amazing (1+ / 0-)
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        how money is the root of all evil.  You taint the Democrats again and again, and wonder why people who are moral are leaving again in is this kind of thinking that does it.  No morals as long as money is involved.  Bring it on... this is why people like Nader and Paul make so much gains is because you don't stand up for any principals.

        don't link to MSM; support your alternative grassroots media by linking to them

        by john from vermont on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:21:44 AM PST

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        •  It's not just the money (4+ / 0-)
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          vcmvo2, KenBee, Marcus Graly, Tybalt

          though you can deny it all you want, you can't win elections without fundraising money. Try to live in the same world as the rest of us here. You need money to run campaigns, you need campaigns to win elections. Even progressive heroes like Russ Feingold and the late Paul Wellstone needed money to win.

          But if you want to get more specific, it's Schumer's recruiting prowess that adds to his success as well. It's convincing Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich to run against Ted Stevens and fielding Democrats in almost every Senate race in 2006.

          Don't confuse Campaigning with lawmaking, they're two different beasts and should be treated as such. Schumer's role as DSCC chair is completely exclusive to his role as Senator from New York. They are two different offices, you're taxes DO NOT go to the DSCC.

          I'm supporting Chris Dodd, and his plan to create the Rapid Response Reserve Corps.

          by Skulnick on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:27:47 AM PST

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          •  I'm having it both ways (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm offended by Schumer's caving on torture and Mukasky. So in protest I'm not donating anything to the DSCC myself. I'm giving directly to individual candidates who I like.

            But OTOH, I do respect Schumer's considerable knowledge of how to win elections and his fund-raising prowess. I'm happy when he and the DSCC do get behind a candidate who I like.

            So if you are angry at Schumer, think of it this way: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. On almost all of the issues, Schumer is Bush's enemy, making him my political friend. Even if I do hate his caving on waterboarding.

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