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  •  The problem is, the issue IS in the connections (1+ / 0-)
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    Quite frankly, the reason I do go into extensive background with posts (and why they do tend to be longish) is because, quite frankly, there are very few people who are pretty much putting the puzzle together, and the pieces are in general spread out all over the damn place.

    At least in my case I can point out previous research on Bill Gothard to show why it's a bad thing that ALERT Academy is getting official governmental support; there are some researchers looking into this (Bruce Wilson on the military end of things, Midwest Outreach and Rick Ross Institute on tying together all the Gothard fronts) that are pretty much having to do completely original research and interviews with escapees.

    I also tend to suffer from wanting to get info out ASAP--as it is, many of my articles I've done in past have been long and even then were chunked down into three- and four-part articles; if I chunked things down to smaller articles, I'd not even be talking about steeplejacking of churches yet :P  I fear losing coherency, in part; in part, too, much of me is scared that it won't get out fast enough for people to do anything.  (This is, most probably, my own PTSD kicking in.  Spending the better part of twenty years talking about this stuff and being dismissed as a kook because "you didn't have hard proof you could show" tends to have a bit of an effect on you--as does seeing the country's government increasingly taken over by the very group you walked away from.)

    In the particular case of this article, the original post was inspired by someone writing to Dark Christianity noting about the talk and asking if ALERT Academy had dominionist links--this led to me (in my own all-too-disorganised fashion) rolling up a ball of evidence that "yes, this is really, really incredibly bad, you have no idea how bad this is". :P  Very often with me, that IS how articles get written--I find out about something, and by the time I'm done it turns out to be an introductory course in that subject :P

    If you folks (who are regular writers here) have hints on how I COULD have trimmed this whilst keeping the relevant information intact--especially for someone coming into this who doesn't know Bill Gothard from Adam (and very few people do, unless they research neopente dominionism or read stuff from researchers on neopente dominionism)--I am honestly all ears, though.  This is something I am trying to learn (striking a balance between getting the necessary info out now and readability).  I don't claim to be anywhere near there yet. :D

    •  I'm grateful fot the in depthness, (3+ / 0-)
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      and suggest writing a shorter, punchier version that invites people to read this dairy for more depth.

      Instead of the lengthy blockquotes you could paraphrase their content with bullet points, emphasing the religious indoctrination and authoritarianism as being equal to the emrgency responder training.

      I'm curious what the implications would be for the people in need of help during disasters if these ALERT teams are the ones sent in by the government to 'help'. Will they selectively help their own kind and refuse to help 'others', perhaps going as far as coralling the 'others' into detention camps with official license?

      Thanks for your service, getting the word out.

      •  Actually, we might've had a taste of that in NOLA (1+ / 0-)
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        Catte Nappe

        There are indications that Blackwater explicitly blocked other relief agencies from coming in to NOLA because they were the "only ones with a contract to do so"--so it's not unlikely that state or local agencies sympathetic to dominionists might give ALERT teams an "exclusive contract" of that sort.

        And seeing as these groups do pretty much preach to their own about not only corralling but killing non-dominionists, utterly destroying resistance in a desperate bid to "cleanse the US" to "keep God's blessing"...anything is possible.  (And yes, that includes convert-or-starve aid assistance such as happened with multiple dominionist charities that were far less radical than ALERT Academy.)

        BTW, thanks for the tips--one minor question: part of why I include the stuff is for purposes of proving my point (some people won't believe it unless you quote 'em, and sometimes not even then).  What do you suggest there?

        •  I agree that the in-depth quotes (1+ / 0-)
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          are important....for those of us who want to take the time to read what you've so thoughtfully researched and pared down to the nuggets. But most people just don't have the interest or time for that, and prefer a straight narrative format. So perhaps you could do the punchy, brief post here on the same day that you post the lengthier version at T2A, and link to that, then post it here the following day (assuming you don't have another diary to post then), and edit in the link to the in-depth post on the punchy diary.

          It's amazing to me how much time you must spend with your search engine, and reading through all of this. It's also hard, still, even after reading yours, Bruce's and Fred's diaries for the past two years, to comprehend that such a conspiracy could be growing with such frightening potential. The only parallel that comes to mind is the Rwandan genocide.

    •  Trimming (1+ / 0-)
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      dogemperor

      Yes, all the pieces are important. But not all in one diary. In this case we didn't need to know this:

      A lot of researchers into "Christian nationalist" movements in the US now agree there are three major branches--"Christian Reconstructionists" (popular in "independent fundamentalist Baptist" circles and also the subject of most research on dominionism to date), "ultramontaine" Catholicism (think Opus Dei), and a third group within neopentecostal churches that I have referrred to in my writings as "Joel's Army" dominionism or "neopentecostal dominionism".

      That section, and many others like it, are a good way to get people's eyes to glaze over.

      I would have excerpted pieces of the Longview article - about McClendon, his presentation, and his connection with ALERT.

      Then I would have questioned whether we really want our top military leaders connected with ALERT, one of many of Bill Gothard's projects. And I would use excerpts and links like the following on why we should care about Gothard and his innocuous looking character building and training programs.

      ALERT is a 51-week training and service program for Christian young men..... the ALERT Program strives to instill in young men foundational disciplines, positive character qualities, and a mind-set of service to God and others.

      The men learn practical life skills that will prepare them for greater opportunities to serve communities and government leaders on the national and international levels.

      http://www.alertacademy.com/...

      Gothard discourages listening to contemporary Christian music and encourages homeschooling; IBLP publishes its own homeschool material[6]; and, according to one follower, claims borrowing money for any reason, even a home mortgage, is wrong.[8] According to one critic, Gothard protested against the Cabbage Patch Kids because Cabbage Patch Kids or Treasure Trolls could lead to difficulties in conceiving or giving birth to a child[9], and has discouraged the use of contraceptives or other family planning.[10][11]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      How the ‘secular’ Character Training Institute is working to build evangelist Bill Gothard’s vision of a First-Century Kingdom of God—one city, one state, one school board, one police force and one mind at a time.

      Again, here is the fundamental premise: what the IBLP hopes will come of these myriad efforts on secular and religious fronts is a patriarchal, hierarchical Christian government that truly has no place for dissent, for disbelievers, or for those whose character qualities fall short of expectations. Government, from this viewpoint, is akin to the right hand of God: Nothing or no one should stand between the two entities, or question their right to rule over our lives.

      http://www.inthesetimes.com/...

      And probably wrapping up with the question again - are these the influences we want informing our military thinking about Islam and the Middle East?

      "Sir, you are giving a reason for it; but that will not make it right." Samuel Johnson

      by Catte Nappe on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:37:46 PM PST

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      •  Ah, I see (1+ / 0-)
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        Understood--okay, point taken and noted :3  (In my own case, I was trying to avoid some of the criticism that has been launched against Bruce Wilson's writing on dominionism in the military--he is pretty much embargoed in a lot of his writing, because MRFF is using his research in lawsuits, and people have screamed "WHERE'S THE BEEF?" on things.  I think I may be providing an excess of beef, if I'm reading right :D)

        •  Oh, and if (1+ / 0-)
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          dogemperor

          I were better with the tech stuff, I would certainly have included the graphic of that cute eagle logo ALERT uses. Picture's worth a thousand words, and that image on a religious organization's site tells much of your message right there.

          "Sir, you are giving a reason for it; but that will not make it right." Samuel Johnson

          by Catte Nappe on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:48:09 PM PST

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        •  Beef vs sizzle (1+ / 0-)
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          dogemperor

          You need the sizzle if you want other people to get interested enough in your issues to care if there is any beef to be served. Like tha hamburger stands at the fair fry onions to get your appetite's attention.

          "Sir, you are giving a reason for it; but that will not make it right." Samuel Johnson

          by Catte Nappe on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:50:43 PM PST

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    •  I really appreciate the huge amount of work.. (1+ / 0-)
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      dogemperor

      that you have given to this. It is hard for most people to grasp the concept of how deeply intertwined the Theocratic Right is in our government and the corporate culture... Once you begin to see it - it just boggles the mind.

      And they don't really even try to hide it anymore...

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