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  •  Well, that's fine. but dontcha think (6+ / 0-)

    it says something awfully powerful that the progressives today who complain the loudest that our Democrats have gone corporate and suck so bad are the same ones who say that FDR was the right kind of guy?

    FDR was not a pissed-off anti-business populist malcontent!  He was a wealthy NY aristocrat who smoked a cigarette through a holder and came from a LOT of money.  He believed in regulating and harnessing capitalism to save it from its own worst tendencies.  And he convinced people that taking care of Americans who were suffering was the Responsible, Sober thing to do. For the good of the economy and the country.

    The reason people remember him as a big populist was not b/c of his 1932 campaign rhetoric, or his campaign funders, or his style... it was because of the results.  He was compromising all the time.  He was being criticized from all the time.  Some on the left were pissed off that Social Security taxed the lower middle class working people... it was said to be regressive.

    "Calmer than you are."

    by Sheffield on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 05:55:38 PM PST

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    •  He was the right kind of guy... (1+ / 0-)
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      and we have no idea what he would propose if he was running today.

      The thing about FDR is that he was ready to take bold actions to alleviate the human suffering he encountered.

      2007 is not 1932.  The problems are not the same.

      At the worst point of the Great Depression, in 1933, one in four Americans who wanted to work was unable to find a job. Further, it was not until 1941, when World War II was underway, that the official unemployment rate finally fell below 10%. This massive wave of unemployment hit before a food stamp program and unemployment insurance existed. There were few government programs designed to help the poor or those in temporary difficulty. Further, most wives did not work, so if the husband lost his job, all income for that household stopped. An equivalent rate of unemployment today would cause less economic hardship because of the variety of programs (often inspired by the Great Depression) that cushion unemployment and poverty.

      •  I have an idea (4+ / 0-)
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        that if he was running today, the media would trivialize him and focus on his personality, or his haircut, or his marriage, and that a lot of people on the left would complain mightily that our "corrupt system" needed reforms that he wouldn't commit to.  Some might even say that his unwillingness to commit to specific fixes right now was too "careful" and "calculating" and that Americans were looking for "straight answers to tough questions" and FDR wasn't giving them.

        Face it, if HRC's vagueness is a sin, it is one of which FDR was guilty.

        "Calmer than you are."

        by Sheffield on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 06:25:45 PM PST

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      •  of course the problems aren't the same (1+ / 0-)
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        who said they were? But the political will for change is, I think, stronger than it's been since 1932.

        The Republican Party is neither pro-republic nor pro-party. Discuss!

        by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 06:35:44 PM PST

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    •  Or perhaps... (0+ / 0-)

      ...we're pushing the Overton Window on today's Dems, just like Socialists and Communists did in the 1930s?

      I'm a calculating Kucinichite - I'm going to support him and some of his policies even if none of them get enacted in whole, since it'll prompt whoever wins the nomination to go a bit farther left from just not nominating wingnut Federalist Society members as judges.

      9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

      by varro on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 08:18:06 PM PST

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