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  •  given the damage done over the past 7 yrs, (1+ / 0-)
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    many times with the aid and assistance of your candidate, YES, It is really necessary.

    She is a corporate figure who, without marrying well, would not be a candidate for any office, much less president of these untied states, and in particular, during these very trying times.

    Either she voted from fear, ignorance, or because she really supported the Iraq and upcoming Iran invasions and occupations; FISA deformation; Patriot I and I(a);  the hideous, cancerous, and corporatist Bankruptcy law which has created a new class of serfdom in our time; - there are many other objections and examples.

    Give me one example of where she has stood up on a serious constitutional issue for the rights of the little guy. Oh yeah. Banning flag burning.

    Wilson was a pimple on the ass of the Constitution, yet his PR staff and his institute have rehabilitated that racist, misogynist, anti-Bill of RIghts monster into some sort of modern day hero. Here is how the Institute,  the "living monument to Wilson" describes their hero:

    Woodrow Wilson, nicknamed the "schoolmaster in politics," is chiefly remembered for his high-minded idealism, which appeared both in his leadership on the faculty and in the presidency of Princeton University, and in his national and world statesmanship during and after World War I.

    Wilson was born in 1856 in Staunton, Virginia (and named Thomas Woodrow Wilson). He grew up in Georgia and South Carolina during the suffering of the Civil War and its aftermath. He was also deeply influenced by the Presbyterianism of his father, a minister and sometime college teacher.

    They ignore his stomping on rights,  muzzling criticism, and worse.

    The reason that I raise Wilson is that the few Hillary supporters here, those who troll rate anyone raising contrary facts or disagreeing with her positions, use similar language about her as Wilson's organization uses about him. Similar spin, similar revisionism, similar masking of true motivations and bad, even dangerous decisions.

    In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

    by agnostic on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 09:54:00 AM PST

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    •  I was objecting to the "pumps and a female suit" (1+ / 0-)
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      crap, and I was going to let the rest slide.

      Either she voted from fear, ignorance, or because she really supported the Iraq and upcoming Iran invasions and occupations; FISA deformation; Patriot I and I(a);  the hideous, cancerous, and corporatist Bankruptcy law which has created a new class of serfdom in our time; - there are many other objections and examples.

      Of our candidates, only Kucinich voted against war in Iraq, no one voted for war in Iran, only Kucinich voted against the PATRIOT Act, and Clinton did not vote for the bankruptcy bill (assuming you're talking about 2005 an not 2001).

      So your feelings about her should apply nearly equally to all the non-Kucinich candidates.

      The reason that I raise Wilson is that the few Hillary supporters here, those who troll rate anyone raising contrary facts or disagreeing with her positions, use similar language about her as Wilson's organization uses about him.

      No one's troll rating you.  I'm just pointing out the silliness of your argument.

      To equate Clinton with Bush and the sedition act is just plain stupid.

      •  I wasn't talking about the other candidates, (0+ / 0-)

        although we here should now expect her standard defense, "OTHERS DID IT, TOO!" as the motto in any fact-based discussion about Hillary's many problems and issues.
        But since it has been raised, (again), I feel as strongly about every DINO who voted with this administration, without fulfilling  their constitutional tasks as the legislative branch. And for 6 yrs, the whole gaggle of congresscritter geese, and the smelly sty of Senatwhores who have enabled the crimes against the constitution, the crimes against humanity and the war crimes in the middle east, they all deserve a vacation from office, if not a paid vacation to a federally run facility.

        In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

        by agnostic on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 10:14:16 AM PST

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        •  OK, I get it (0+ / 0-)

          All of our candidates except Kucinich are just like Bush.  Thanks, Ralph.

          •  at least the GOP side (0+ / 0-)

            is worse, if at all possible.

            Have any of them even criticized any Bush policy (ignoring immigration, because most of the candidates seem to be)?

            In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

            by agnostic on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 10:20:01 AM PST

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          •  oh, and by ignoring your snark, (0+ / 0-)

            do not believe for an instant that I accept your baseless premise.

            In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

            by agnostic on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 02:51:14 PM PST

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