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  •  It's not a progressive thing (0+ / 0-)

    To take a negative stance on illegal immigration.

    That kind of behavior would be more welcome at redstate or little green footballs.

    If it were not for NAFTA and CAFTA and all the other FTAs, people would not have to move around just to support themselves.

    •  Who Cares About Your Dogma? (1+ / 0-)
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      Where's your "progressive pope" card that says you get to define who's "progressive" and who's not? Where in the progressive bible did god say we have to agree with every political position someone else calling themself progressive takes? And what's so progressive about failing to protect American labor from unfair competition from illegal immigrants?

      I'm going to go on being progressive, despite your not liking what I'm saying. Just because Conservatives oppose illegal immigration to an insane degree doesn't mean that illegal immigration is OK, or that opposing it sensibly is always Conservative. And, evidently, failing to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration is itself no monopoly of either Conservatives or progressives.

      Illegal immigration was part of America's economy (and most other industrialized countries) well before NAFTA and CAFTA. And will continue to be, regardless of how well we get it under control. What's "progressive" is to leave the old, failed political traps behind, in favor of solutions that support values like protecting ourselves against exploitation, improving our world overall so we live better in it, and thinking for ourselves rather than just adopt a posture like "the progressive thing".

      You know what's not "progressive"? Replying to my detailed, compassionate, yet realistic post that deals in facts and logic, with your obnoxious insult. Why don't you just shut up if you can't debate a point you're posting publicly? That wouldn't be particularly progressive, but at least you wouldn't be acting like a total jerk when people try to talk with you with some respect that you clearly don't deserve.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 07:52:42 PM PST

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      •  Obnoxious insult? you wish (0+ / 0-)

        Illegal immigration is a low priority in my book because no matter what laws you make or the fences you erect, people will always find a way to get in and make a better life for themselves. How is that wrong?

        •  Goodbye (0+ / 0-)

          Telling me to go to rightwing Republican websites instead is an obnoxious insult. Now you're denying that with childish comebacks.

          I don't care what you think is wrong, because you've totally discredited yourself. Starting with replying to my post with a strawman that I didn't say, then trying to act like you're in charge of "what's progressive" and insulting me, and now just running away from that by pretending you're debating the issue. Especially because I already agreed with your minor point, and explained how come that doesn't mean you don't do anything.

          You're not worth wasting any more time on. Go act like you're arguing with someone else, who's distracted by your juvenile skills.

          Goodbye.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 07:36:22 AM PST

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