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  •  Seriously did not know about any (1+ / 0-)
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    agenda they had.
    I just read it the other day...
    And clicked on the "about us" tab and they said they were non partisan and not affiliated with anyone.
    I never heard of them so you could be correct.
    I know there's plenty of right wing think tanks out there that if you didn't know them, you'd think they were non partisan.

    I never want to get into a flame war with you again.
    Never ever ever ever ever.
    Like I said before, I read your diaries and agree with what you feel and write 99 percent of the time.
    I'm so angry with so many people in this world right now, so saddened by so much heartache, so weighed down by fear that things might not change because they haven't since we won the Senate and House, so looking for hope and finding it in special people who do care...
    That going toe to toe with you on this just doesn't feel right.
    I'm not against debate.
    I don't believe in conformity.
    We just go so heated last time...well.
    I don't know.
    I'd rather go toe to toe with a Hillary supporter. :-)
    Now if you are one, let's go!

    But anyway...remember how you tried to get me to go read a diary from..
    I can't remember his name. Duke?
    And I said yeah whatever?
    I did read one he posted a day or two after you wrote that and loved it.
    And stated that though I disagreed with some of what he wrote, he actually got me to think I might change my positions on others because of the data he presented and the way he laid out his case.

    "Oh sweetie..didn't you get any sleep? You look so tired today. " My Mom, February 2007, trying to put herself on notice with evil remarks like this.

    by Christin on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 07:15:06 PM PST

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    •  All's well with me ... (2+ / 0-)
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      Christin, ayoosilver

      ... as far as you are concerned, Christin.  I think I understand your writing style now and I also never want to fight again with you -- frankly I think we both are all fought out on this!  :)

      Duke is great and most of what I've learned on this issue has been either from reading his diaries or doing further research from links he's given or issues he has brought up.

      •  Well - one thing I forgot to tell you. (2+ / 0-)
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        I had kept after you to provide me with some links and data that night...
        I just kept asking and asking.
        And I was getting so annoyed because you said you gave it to me me, and I kept going no you didn't.
        And then the next day I saw you had, in another thread..or so far up that I didn't see it.
        When I saw that I was like OH shit.
        Because that would have calmed my sorry ass down.
        So when I read your other diary and commented, I meant to apologize for that too.
        Anyway - your passion and love for immigrants (i won't use the other term i normally due because that hurts you) is admirable.
        As a child of two people who got off the boat in 1951, I do understand where you are coming from.  
        And yeah..Duke knows how to present his case.

        "Oh sweetie..didn't you get any sleep? You look so tired today. " My Mom, February 2007, trying to put herself on notice with evil remarks like this.

        by Christin on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 07:44:31 PM PST

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        •  Thanks, Christin. (2+ / 0-)
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          Christin, ayoosilver

          I saw your apology on my diary and I thought that was very classy of you.

          I also admit I can be a real hothead and even an asshole sometimes when I get going on this issue, and I should have taken the time to answer your questions more fully.

          So I hope now we are over that.

          •  Well - there is hope for me yet. (3+ / 0-)
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            elliott, Nightprowlkitty, Mas Gaviota

            I do look out for the little guys.
            Because my dad is one of them.
            Came here knowing not a word of english, worked the most menial low paying jobs..
            Finally got a better one in a factory that gave us a middle class life.
            That was attainable back in the day when he could buy a house for 15 thousand.
   do i say this without sounding like I'm patting myself on the back?
            I'll just say it.
            Most of the office cleaners in our company are Mexican.
            No, not most. All.
            Most can't speak English.
            And I work later than most because I come in later than most so I get to see them when they come in five.
            And I treat them better than all the CEO's and VP's and Executive members in my building (I work at HQ).
            I treat them better, and became "friends" (used quotes because friends meaning as much as you can with people you don't see outside of work) with most of them who work around me because I see my Dad in all of them.
            And I saw how people in this country looked down on my Dad who never lost his very strong accent and so they would talk loud and slow like he was an idiot.
            And I truly and honestly believe that no one is better than anyone, period.
            Whether you wash dishes, or clean offices or houses (like my Mom did), you are as valuable, as special, and as intelligent as anyone else.
            Some people just don't get the breaks others do.
            Some people just weren't given the opportunity to make a lot of money to get them into college or maybe they just aren't brilliant enough to get a scholarship.
            In my Father's case, he had to drop out of sixth grade to help his parents.  
            Anyway, they ask me to talk to them as much as possible so they can learn English.
            And the above statement is where I mean please don't think I'm patting myself on the back.
            They work so damn hard, and for so damn little, and I despise those who won't even look at them or act like they're the hired help.
            So Jorge is not here legally, and neither is the other guy I talk to, Juan.
            Yeah. The things I find out!
            And l have nothing for respect and admiration for them.
            And they make me laugh. And they make me smile.
            And it's so amazing how much they've learned.
            So when they stumble and go "my english so bad" I'm like are you kidding me?????
            You speak two damn languages.
            Most Americans speak only one.
            And our President can't even do that.

            So...all this babbling to say.
            Maybe someday I'll come over to your side and think they're all Jorges and Juans.
            And that's why I reacted so harshly to the word racist.
            I'm a lot of things.
            An asshole...yeah. That's me 90 percent of the time.
            But not that.
            I still believe you should here legally.
            But like I said...I flip flop on a lot of stuff too so maybe if i read a few more Duke's and keep listening and debating, I dunno.

            :-) Peace. :-)

            "Oh sweetie..didn't you get any sleep? You look so tired today. " My Mom, February 2007, trying to put herself on notice with evil remarks like this.

            by Christin on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 08:28:05 PM PST

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