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  •  Huckabee, Obama (5+ / 0-)
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    deaniac83, Hatu, MadEye, mystery2me, kevinspa

    It's not just Huckabee - why Obama can court an anti-gey bigot and not be accountable for it by many on this site - that's way more worrisome to me.

    Aren't progressive serious about ALL civil rights?

    •  Obama doesnt think gay marriage (4+ / 0-)
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      mcfly, mjd in florida, potownman, LynneK

      is the end of civilization, it IS 'just Huckabee' in this case.

      This information cannot leave this room. Ok? It would devastate my reputation as a dude. Relentless!

      by ablington on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 11:49:16 AM PST

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      •  Simple Human Freedom (1+ / 0-)
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        Obama demonstrated his willingness to sell out the gay community.  The right to get married is pretty hollow when gays live in a hostile world deliberately built by the likes of Donnie McClurkin, and tacitly supported by the likes of a leading Dem candidate.

        Should gays have to choose between being married or being free?

        •  That's another diary. (4+ / 0-)
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          zeke L, Fabian, mjd in florida, LynneK

          In this post, Huckabee discusses how he thinks gay marriage will ruin civilization. You say it's 'not just Huckabee' and implicate Obama. I am pointing out that Obama doesn't think gay marriage will ruin civilization. Like, at all.

          This information cannot leave this room. Ok? It would devastate my reputation as a dude. Relentless!

          by ablington on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 12:01:29 PM PST

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          •  No, It's This Diary (1+ / 0-)
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            And I'm saying that this neat division of human rights into separate diaries is not how people live.  They either live with full freedom - to marry and to not be publicly denigrated - or they don't.

            For some on this site, this is not academic.  It's their lives.

            •  I appreciate your point, (1+ / 0-)
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              and Obama's willingness to politically shack up with a guy who supports continued oppression is a knock against him.

              However, the man himself has not endorsed this position explicitly, while Huckabee has.

              In any case, I think it's ridiculous to suggest that any candidate will really try to push forward full marriage equality. I think you'll be surprised how many policy promises will evaporate, come January 2009.

              Oh, my friend, how have we come / to trade the fiddle for the drum?

              by Shaviv on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 12:22:02 PM PST

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        •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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          Obama lost my vote in the primary over that flap. I don't think he's an antigay bigot, but it did highlight a serious weakness in his campaign strategy and gave credence to allegations that he sacrificed style over substance.

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            let's see who gets your vote... Hillary, who did what? the night her husband signed in the most anti-gay legislation ever passed in a congress?  How about Edwards, who is or isn't uncomfortable with gays, or ... I guess we are only going to vote for Dennis, but I have a funny feeling if pushed came to shove, he would shove us gays for whatever reason as he shoved his supporters to suppport the pro-war Edwards in Iowa against Dean in 04 -- the candidate who also was taking a beating for supporting gays... this gay litmus test is silly when it comes to presidential candidates.  they have all come a long way for Democrats and the Republicans only are anti gay because their base calls for it.  To pick out one or the other on the gay issue is just being plain silly and as a gay person who has fought for more than 35 years for civil rights for everyone, I find it very unhistorical to choose one mistake or another when it comes to glbt civil rights.  Hey, glbt people are so new at this, that we don't even know where the lines should be drawn. We don't need a bunch of candidate biased experts on who or who isn't perfect on the gay ship.

            I do know that the Republicans have used this issue to make lots of money and scaring lots of people that gays were going to ruin civilizaiton, while they get their slim majorities which allow them to make millions for their war-profiteering buddies in places like Iraq.  They really could give a damn about stopping gay people as long as they get those slim majorities which give them power of the purse.

            Time to end that...by not allowing this gay thing to have any traction among Democratic candidates.  There is no perfect Democratic candidate on gay issues.  

            don't link to MSM; support your alternative grassroots media by linking to them

            by john from vermont on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 12:49:04 PM PST

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            •  with all due respect (0+ / 0-)

              With all due respect, John, I don't fault the Kossacks who do still support him. There's a lot to like about him as a candidate. However, I simply can't bring myself to vote for him in the primary after that incident (if he's the nominee, I will most certainly vote for him in the general).

              You're absolutely right that none of the candidates (beyond Kucinich and Gravel) are perfect on GLBT issues. But in spite of their many faults, Clinton and Edwards at least had enough good sense to not allow an  "ex-gay" to speak at one of their campaign events. I simply cannot forgive the campaign for the manner in which they responded to the incident.

              I now lean towards Edwards. I'm aware of the rumors that he's personally uncomfortable around gay people, but in terms of formulating campaign strategy and policy, he isn't stupid.

    •  obama was "courting" that guy? (1+ / 0-)
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      courtin' and a'sparkin'?

      woooooooo doggies!

      we'll stand him up against a wall and pop goes the weasel /rufus t. firefly

      by 2nd balcony on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 12:17:45 PM PST

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