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  •  Should civil unions be limited to two adults? (1+ / 0-)
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    How about three or more?  What should the tax implications be?  I don't have a favorite answer to those questions myself; I'm inviting brainstorming.

    The IRS rules on joint tax returns bite off a big chunk of this controversy.  The rules on being a 'head of household' and on claiming someone as a dependent, on the other hand, don't seem to generate any controversy.  

    We're all pretty crazy some way or other; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is just a setting on the dryer.

    by david78209 on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 05:03:46 PM PST

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    •  I did mention Polyamorous Unions (2+ / 0-)
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      and I think the tax laws used for corporate income pooling could be used pretty effictively for those types of unions if they were modified a little. Just pairings are already completely covered no matter the combination. I know the IRS codes could be modified to make all of this work. And if a consumption tax was installed instead of the current system or if a flat tax on income were used the issue would pretty much resolve itself.

      When I was working for a major telecom company friends were trying to get the labor union to fight for same sex insurance benefits. Their excuse at the time was the issue of changing partners with no legal obligations making it impossible to keep up with who should be covered and insurance fraud (ie the movie Chuck and Larry). This obviously fell into the stereotype of promiscuous unfeeling indiscriminate changing of partners. But the bedrock issue was that with no legally binding way to define a partner then the insurance company was unable to defend themselves and still give proper service to those needing it. This was in 1999 and many companies have now found a way to deal with this issue positively, but change is slow. Maybe pushing for a "paradigm shift" to all unions legally recognized being civil unions would be a better direction for change than in trying to convice people they need to open their sacrament against their will to people they disaprove of. It may meet less resistance and at the same time would help rebuild the wall of Seperation of Church and State.

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      by Patriotic Dissent Graphix on Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 07:42:56 AM PST

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      •  I'm reminded of the situation in Mexico (0+ / 0-)

        In Mexico people getting married, at least for the first time, usually have two weddings.  One is a civil marriage, similar to getting married in the court house by a judge in this country, that makes you legally married.  The other is a church wedding (almost always Catholic), with the big ceremony conducted by a priest, that makes you married in the eyes of God, or at least the eyes of the church.  Mexico has civil divorce and remarriage, though they're nowhere near civil unions for same-sex couples.
        Mexico is so adamant about that aspect of separation of church and state that they won't let a priest or minister do the little bit of civil paperwork to make the marriage legal.  (I think that's a leftover from the revolution of 1910-1921, in which the Catholic church sided with a faction that lost.)

        Anyway, there's something to be said for having such a strict separation of the civil and religious sides of marriage.  The Catholic church doesn't usually like divorce (though sometimes it gets the church OK, dressed up as annulment) but Mexico adopted civil divorce anyway.  If Mexico ever wanted same sex civil unions, they'd already have a strong precedent for church and state using different rules for marriage.

        We're all pretty crazy some way or other; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is just a setting on the dryer.

        by david78209 on Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 09:25:34 AM PST

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