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  •  This is very disappointing (4+ / 0-)

    We need someone aggressively out there to target McConnell. There's no reason why we can't make him the Mike DeWine of 2008. The KY GOP is in a shambles. That we aren't fighting aggressively here upsets me.

    •  It's not that we're not fighting (5+ / 0-)

      I think national Dems want this seat bad, as payback for Daschle.

      It really sucks that Luallen's out, and while we have other options, things just got a lot harder.

      Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

      by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:02:41 AM PST

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      •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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        Buckeye Terry, brownsox

        We need someone out there to run. It's unacceptable. Mitch McConnell cannot go unchallenged.

        •  Yup. (1+ / 0-)
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          You can't beat somebody with nobody.

          Especially not someone with $10 million to spend a year out.

          Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

          by Arjun Jaikumar on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:07:06 AM PST

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          •  Can't beat him with one punch (1+ / 0-)
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            McConnell has to be challenged twice or 3 times, so he draws down that $10M.  

            It's not going to be one magic blow.

            Obviously democrats still doesn't have long term southern strategy, despite GOP waning.

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            by fugue on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:20:16 AM PST

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            •  Ben Chandler could do it. (2+ / 0-)
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              So could Dan Mongiardo.  And Greg Stumbo.  And you have to admit, millions from the DSCC could do a lot for Andrew Horne's name recognition.  In a Democratic year, with enormous resources, we can't afford not to fight against an incumbent with such low approval, especially with the losing coat-tails that this one can produce.  

              I'm just saying, let's not be so fatalistic about this.  it's still a race we can win, and we have to fight it.

              "A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality."

              by flowrider on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:24:42 PM PST

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      •  Luallen does not have the name recognition. . . (1+ / 0-)
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        or experience of Stumbo or Ben Chandler.  Stumbo or Horne--I don't care--should step up to the plate.  Jon Tester or Jim Webb revisited.  Anything can happen.

        What rough beast, its hour come round at last/Slouches toward Bethlehem waiting to be born?

        by cova1 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 01:55:31 PM PST

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    •  The dark side needs a Boehner or two..Mitch and (0+ / 0-)

      Boehner can cry over their bibles together for the next four years..Like a purgatory for the unkempt rethuglican minority gang of ? Probably just as well of as elekting Blue Dawg Dems[?] in conservative clothes biting at progressive ass continually..Mitch and Boehner yes..Blue Dawgs aka Zell [the hell] milllers can fuk off..

      "Better a little late, than a little never"..Doctor Julian Winston

      by Johnny Rapture on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:11:36 AM PST

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    •  McConnell is not DeWine (0+ / 0-)

      DeWine was never a national figure, he was barely known outside the state.  DeWine never had a state-wide political and fundraising machine close to what McConnell has.  DeWine knew from the beginning of 2006 he was in trouble.  By the summer, he pretty much knew he was going lose.  Plus, DeWine had to run in the worse year for Republicans in Ohio since 1958.  In the fall of 2008, Fletcher will have been out of office for a year; it will be difficult for the Dem candidate to run against Fletcher in 2008, it was easy for Sherrod Brown to run against Bob Taft as well as Mike DeWine.

      That said, McC is is trouble.  He backed Fletcher in 2003, then dumped him when the trouble began.  The evangelicals still back Fletcher, and that wing of the party is still pissed at Mitch.  

      McConnell can raise money like no one's business, but Kentucky is a relatively cheap state to run in.  The only major media markets are Cincinnati, Louisville and maybe Nashville.

      Mitch deserves to be bounced out on his ass, but make no mistake, it will be very, very difficult.

      "It's hip to be miserable when you're young and intellectual."--Carly Simon

      by Buckeye Terry on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:52:26 AM PST

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      •  I am sure that it will (0+ / 0-)

        DeWine primarily lost because Taft and Blackwell brought him down. In any other election cycle, without those weights around his neck, DeWine would have prevailed.

        You're right that McConnell has more money. However, the Democrats should run an aggressive campaign against him.

    •  You got Lemons...Make Lemonade (0+ / 0-)

      Assume Mitch wins....

      He's going to give new meaning to the term "minority" leader.  Overall, let's make sure he can hold his party meetings in a coat closet come 2009.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 05:34:05 PM PST

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