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  •  I am not Arguing (0+ / 0-)

    I am simply stating what I believe will be the outcome if Obama is nominated. I would love to be wrong but the US who reelected Bush has not progressed enough to elect Obama imo.

    •  It would be better if you were arguing...n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      "Fired Up!" "Ready To Go!" Obama '08

      by bawbie on Mon Dec 10, 2007 at 06:07:40 AM PST

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      •  Hillary is a potential loser to the Repubs (0+ / 0-)

        Hillary is far from being elected President if she is nominated. Segolene Royal was 10-12 points ahead of Sarkozy in an equivalent time period prior to the French election for President so Hillary leading or being tied with the Repub potential nominees is very ominous. The French election showed Royal winning every demographic group except the over 60 year olds which she lost 80%-20% giving Sarkozy his victory.

        The reason was because the older demographic was scared to death of the security issues and Royal never addressed this issue forcefully.

        This is why Hillary voted for Kyl/Lieberman and has wanted to come across as a hawk on so-called 'terrorism'. She knows if she is to be elected; she needs to satisfy the 'security issues' particularly for the older voters.

        Even with these 'I am tough on terrorism' stands; Hillary will be very vulnerable to the Republican smear machine and as much as Dems love her husband; he will bring out much of the venom which helped Bush beat Gore in the 2000 election. And she doesn't come across as likeable and warm as Bill.

        The only Democrat of those running imho who has the best chance of beating the Repubs is Edwards, regardless of what the Presidential election polling states now. And even he has problems in which many of the issues he voted on as Senator he now has renounced. Iraq, bankruptcy bills etc. so he comes across in many ways as an outright hypocrite particularly the bankruptcy bill vote which was his gift to the finance industry of which he was romancing for future campaign contributions at the time.

        Gore would be the best candidate but needs a brokered convention. So lets hope Edwards, Clinton and Obama stay in the race until the convention with each one not being able to attain a majority of the delegates.

    •  Do you really think that? (5+ / 0-)
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      Do you really believe that anyone who would not vote for Obama because of the color of his skin would be open-minded enough to vote for any of the other Democratic nominees?

      People who are too racist to vote for Obama won't vote for any Democrat. And we neither want nor need their votes. We've spent the last 50 years shaking those people out of the party.

      •  Yes I do Unfortunately (0+ / 0-)

        I know many older pseudo liberals who would have a hard time voting for Obama, their rascism isn't conciously evident to them butingrained in their subconcious and I believe many moderates feel the same way plus it would bring out every 'cracker' who lives in the US and their numbers would make the 'crackers' who voted for Bush pale in comparison.

        •  I disagree 100% (0+ / 0-)

          I actually believe that many Americans would be more likely to vote for Obama, in an attempt to prove that they're not racist.

          I think you may have been out of the country too long. It's no longer 1982.

        •  I don't know such people (1+ / 0-)
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          I have seen the racism in my part of outstate Missouri.

          Alan Wheat, the Congressman from Kansas City, was running against Ashcroft for the US Senate in 1994.

          Wheat's wife was going to be in the homecoming parade at my university.  I volunteered to distribute Wheat literature.

          I had more than a couple of white people visibly angry when I tried to give them a campaign piece.

          Of course, there are still racists in this country, but I believe Obama will increase the 30 and under vote (remember that was the only age group Kerry won) more than enough to make up for the racist vote.

          The wise are driven by reason; ordinary minds, by experience; the stupid, by necessity, and brutes by instinct. Cicero

          by MoDem on Mon Dec 10, 2007 at 07:22:46 AM PST

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          •  Couldn't agree more (1+ / 0-)
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            In fact I have had this very discussion in my county committee meetings (south of KC metro).  There are a great number of young people becoming involved in politics because of Obama and the message he brings and those who would vote against him because of race, would most likely not vote for a Democrat.

      •  "We've lost the bigot vote" wasn't a concern (0+ / 0-)

        until it became a reason to vote against Obama.  Nobody said that Kerry shouldn't be seen with too many black folks or come out for civil rights.

        Read Obama's 2002 speech against invading Iraq. http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm

        by Inland on Mon Dec 10, 2007 at 07:28:45 AM PST

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