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  •  "cushioned from consequences" (11+ / 0-)

    That's either the name of a great new noel, or a game show, not sure which.

    as for wu ming's comment...

    reid and the dem leadership generally agrees with what they help pass. much less mental contortion required to explain it.

    Okay, I her ya. I was temporarily blinded from the obvious. So the answers  are lobbyist money and we agree with Bush's policies and requests.

    Then there is thereisnospoon's thesis: that Dems are competent cynical manipulators who see electoral advantage for themselves by keeping the electorate angry at obstructionist Republicans and an overall NO CHANGE in course -- despite the voters in 06 having agreed with Nancy And Harry's "A New Direction" mantra. It's a good thesis.

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    by rhfactor on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 01:14:35 AM PST

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    •  well said (3+ / 0-)
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      Then there is thereisnospoon's thesis: that Dems are competent cynical manipulators who see electoral advantage for themselves by keeping the electorate angry at obstructionist Republicans and an overall NO CHANGE in course -- despite the voters in 06 having agreed with Nancy And Harry's "A New Direction" mantra. It's a good thesis.

         To me the best explanation of those times you just go :'What?'
      It also seeks to maximize a hand where they truly don't have the party discipline to stand up together to pass better legislation, impeach, and otherwisedo the right thing.
       It could be titled the lemons/lemonade theory.

      Two things seem apparent here:
      *can't impeach and convict without burning a lot of political capital
      *can't pass any significant legislation, also because the numbers and discipline aren't there....oh yeah, don't forget an obstructionist pResident and minority, as well as the Blue Dogs,clueless, and insane.
            so this strategy is what's left...it's dam hard to describe well however, and describe convincingly.
           Why bother? Hell if I know. Except to explain the mystery.

      "Democrats should have no truck with the rancid anti-Americanism of the conspiracy-mongering left." The DLC

      by KenBee on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 02:56:01 AM PST

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      •  the mystery is well out of your hands to even (3+ / 0-)
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        hazard a guess, my friend.

        Mysteries are best left to the providence of Our Lord, or in some cases Van Morrison. But the latter requires entering the slipstream, which can be treacherous if timed improperly.

        Why not just go with your truthiness gut?

        the Blue Dogs, clueless, and insane.

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        by rhfactor on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:24:09 AM PST

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      •  The point of the thereisnospoon diary (8+ / 0-)

        which I think was lost on a lot of people, was not to say "this is the Democrat's strategy" as in, don't worry people, they've got things under control, it was "this is the Democrat's strategy" as in, they should all be f-ing ashamed of themselves for pursuing such a horribly misguided and cynical strategy that might just not have the effects they desire.

        Thereisnospoon merely defined the strategy as a means to understand the motiviations of the Democrats when they do really, really stupid stuff like this.  It was most certainly not to justify their actions and in fact, quite the contrary.

        Here's the diary:

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        •  are you kidding me? you think i MISSED that? (0+ / 0-)

          you think I listed it as viable and ethical strategy? (sheesh!) I comment that he's got a good thesis -- as in -- explaining what is driving their unethical and shameful behavior. So, we're absolutely on the same page.

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          by rhfactor on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:15:03 AM PST

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        •  I got the point of the diary (0+ / 0-)

          I just think Occam's Razor cuts it to shreds.

          Two possibilities:

          1. Reid & Pelosi are passing everything Bush wants them to pass, and nothing he doesn't, because they are pursuing a convoluted & likely unsuccessful electoral strategy.
          1. They're doing it because they want to pass the same things Bush wants to pass.

          #2 has a good deal louder ring of truth, wouldn't you say?  It means the Dems are neither stupid, nor Machiavellian, just lying about their motives.

          As for why they'd be so ardent to get telco legislation passed -- what were AT&T's earnings last year?  I rest my case.

          Mission Accomplished: The ultimate in premature ejaculations.

          by stillnotking on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:30:46 AM PST

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