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  •  I really hope 2008 is like 1932 (1+ / 0-)
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    and represents the start of a long term progressive majority.

    I talk to so many people who believe big business controls both parties and nobody represents the average Joe.

    I talked to a Christian Right voter a few weeks ago.
    She is afraid of losing her job, but this doesn't affect her voting. Why?  She said "The same stuff happened under Clinton. Both parties represent the rich."

    I talked to an Independent friend today. He is 57.
    He thinks todays Democrats represent big business and have given up the New Deal liberalism of the
    1970's. He told me a story. When Reagan fired the Air Traffic Controllers he turned to his wife and said "This is the beginning of the end. They are going to break the Unions, and the standard of living is going down."  He feels todays Democrats spend most of their time talking about issues that do not affect the daily lives of most people - gay rights, and so on.

    I read on this site and in books that many liberals feel the Democratic Party moved so far right on the bread and butter issues, they just don't appeal. I say this is true judging from the people I have talked to.

    •  Well, The Data Shows That People... (6+ / 0-)

      ...generally overwhelmingly prefer the Democrats on economic issues, both their positions and the perception of who does/will do a better job of managing the economy.  And the people who care most about labor rights--union members--vote strongly Democratic; right now the margin with white union households if roungly 2-1 Dem, and among minority union voters it's above 90%.

      As for the Christian right, they're not our target.  They just don't move from the GOP.  But they're not necessary for us to win, and their clout with the GOP is making the GOP far less appealing to plenty of other independents and swing voters.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 04:23:15 PM PST

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      •  Amen (no pun intended) (0+ / 0-)

        As for the Christian right, they're not our target.  They just don't move from the GOP.  But they're not necessary for us to win, and their clout with the GOP is making the GOP far less appealing to plenty of other independents and swing voters.  

          So can we hope that Democratic strategists understand this, and advise the eventual Democratic nominee (whoever it may be) to forswear any  Christian-right pandering attempts?

        "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

        by Buzzer on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 04:44:24 PM PST

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        •  Well, Christian Right Isn't the Same... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...as people who like a little bit (but not too much) of god with their politics.  I'm not one to tout religion, but I don't think it's only the fundies who find a small bit of religion somewhat appealing.  

          But that's usually something that matters in a close, status-quo election.  When the problems are big, that stuff fades in importance.  

          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

          by Dana Houle on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 05:15:30 PM PST

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          •  Jesus was no REPUBLICAN ! (0+ / 0-)

            DHinMI,
            I'm a liberal Democrat who came of age when FDR was president and I found your article excellent. But may I suggest that you rethink this comment of yours,"As for the Christian right, they're not our target.  They just don't move from the GOP.  But they're not necessary for us to win."
            Hard core "Christian right" types may be hopeless, but the "Christian vote" represents a HUGE voting block and just because Republicans have been getting a large portion of that block doesn't mean they are entitled to have it forever. It is so large that even a small gain from that group can make a tremendous difference.
            I hate Rove as much as does any liberal, but one of his most successful techniques was to defy conventional wisdom and to attack his rivals' STRONGEST POINTS instead.

            IMHO, Dems need to challenge the GOP hold on their "Christian" base. As a very liberal Christian clergyman I have been fighting on the www for 12+ years to convince ALL who think of themselves as followers of Jesus Christ to be LIBERALS, just as Jesus was - which for the past 80 years in America has meant being an FDR liberal Democrat.

            Please check out my http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/ and http://JesusNoRepublican.Org/ web sites and help promote them in order to help Democrats win over more and more Christian voters.

            P.S. Google "Republican corruption" and mine is the top or second link listed.

            •  Um... (0+ / 0-)

              ...I never nor would suggest not going after the votes of Christians, especially not since about 80%+ of the population identifies as Christian.  When I say it's not worth going after the Christian right, I'm talking about not going after people who care about social issues to such a degree that they'll never support any national Democrat.  

              Rove may have said the GOP was going after African-American votes, but that was BS to make some socially liberal and tolerant swing voters comfortable with voting for a party with a horrible record on race over the last 40 years.  But they never went after Black voters, because they knew they would never get them.  It's the same way with the people for whom abortion is a be all and end all, who thing gays and lesbians should be attacked to the exclusion of other meaningful policies, etc.  Those people--maybe 10% of the electorate at most, although higher in some states--just won't support Dems, ever.  But Christians in general, no way I'd ever suggest not trying to peel off some of the devout Christians who are Repub-leaning but who care about other issues beyond what happens in the groin area.  

              The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

              by Dana Houle on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 07:15:19 PM PST

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      •  Yup, but the corporate media (0+ / 0-)

        tells them that they like Bush and Gingrich, that Bush & Gingrich represent the American people.

        Then the media tells them that Dean is CRAZY!

        Kucinich is just a little fruitcake.

        then are castigated for being 'too liberal', and institute biases to fix it.

        Where is the Labor Channel?

        Any Labor segments in your local news?

        How about the paper?

        There's a business section, what about a labor section?

        Somebody's got to change that.

        I don't really buy the idea that HRC or BHO are going to embrace the idea of doing away with corporate sponsored government in an economic crises.

        Which means that the people will continue to support traditional Democratic ideals but not get the opportunity to vote on them due to the limited scope of 'viable' or 'electable' candidates that Corporate Sponsorship ensures.

        Sharing and Caring are for Commies! They should be illegal.

        by k9disc on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 05:41:57 PM PST

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        •  I'm not sure what the point of this is (0+ / 0-)

          But Bush and Gingrich are overwhelmingly unpopular among the American public, so I guess that tells you that the corporate media doesn't possess a mind control machine.  

          Don't like XOM and OPEC? What have YOU done to reduce your oil consumption? Hot air does NOT constitute a renewable resource!

          by Asak on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 09:39:37 PM PST

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    •  An independent voter (0+ / 0-)

      is almost always a contrary individual who will find something to complain about.  I would take their opinions with a huge grain of salt.  No matter what you do, they'll find some issue that you're wrong about.  That's why they stubbornly insist on being independent.  That sort of apathetic "it doesn't matter" attitude is also found among those who identify as independents, it's why they are not considered to be as reliable as voters even if they pull the lever for the same party every time.  

      Don't like XOM and OPEC? What have YOU done to reduce your oil consumption? Hot air does NOT constitute a renewable resource!

      by Asak on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 09:35:31 PM PST

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