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  •  Zzzzz (4+ / 0-)
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    our vaunted democratic congressional and party leaders are eagerly aiding and abetting the bush agenda

    Undeserving of further comment.

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by Dana Houle on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 04:19:41 PM PST

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    •  I gotta say (2+ / 0-)
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      Giving Bush carte blanche to wiretap people and let the telcos get away with it strikes me as aiding and abetting. Just sayin'.

      Or all the money we love to give to the war.

      I just keep hoping a Democratic president will beat the tar out of these wussies and we'll get stuff done. But I do have my doubts, much as I desire for us to hold that majority.

      I support Chris Dodd for President. Unequivocally. He's the only candidate which possesses any balls (sorry, Hillary).

      by Eddie in ME on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 04:39:09 PM PST

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      •  The War Funding Issue is More... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...complicated; the electorate does not favor defunding, and there's almost no way of changing policy with Bush and the Repubs in the Senate opposing any change in policy except defunding.  So that's status quo.

        On telco immunity, that's something happening within the Senate Dem caucus, and I don't understand wtf their problem is there.  The House hassn't approved it in the latest version.  If they pass that, I'll grant you that one as an inexcusable screw up.  But unfortunately, it's not one that many people care about.  It's depressing, but most voters don't care that intensely  the wiretapping issue.  So it would be shitty if they fold on it, but it's not one that's likely to cause much of an electoral problem.  

        The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

        by Dana Houle on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 04:56:23 PM PST

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        •  Oh, agreed (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't see it creating any problems either.

          I'm just more remarking about the "aiding and abetting" part. It just strikes me that a lot of what is being done is sort of a silent approval. Bush demands, the battered liberal caucus acquiesces.

          It's the Neville Chamberlain comparison. Less "We support you, Hitler!". More "Go ahead and have that little bit, and that little bit, and that little bit, and I'm trusting that you won't bite off everything you can chew!"

          Sadly, I think the capitulation caucus is worse than the Republicans... not on an actual, realistic basis, but an emotional one. Every time I see that they should stand up for something important, they knuckle under because the voters aren't watching such stuff, they could care less.

          I do watch, I do care, and I've watched as Bush has trimmed away sections of the Constitution... and it just strikes me that the Congress just sharpens his scissors.

          I support Chris Dodd for President. Unequivocally. He's the only candidate which possesses any balls (sorry, Hillary).

          by Eddie in ME on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 05:16:57 PM PST

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        •  Maybe aiding and abetting is over the top but (0+ / 0-)

          It really doesn't matter at this point who is in the driver's seat either in Congress or the Oval office.
          Because it may have made a great difference seven or even three years ago but we are past the tipping point even this month as far as the economy goes.
          And that's is all that matters to the vast majority of Americans - their short term economic future.
          We simply have run out of choices.  The Fed and the Treasury dept. are going to have to figure out a way out of the next ten to twenty years of financial collapse. THAT is what will determine budgets and interest rates and expansion of the supply of money.  Which in turn will shape our politics and society.  Not globalism, global warming, gay marriage or even national security.

        •  Don't care or don't know? (0+ / 0-)

          What do you think about the Wexler petition to start hearings on impeaching Cheney?  From what was posted, apparently what Wexler is doing isn't news.  Should it be?

          •  Don't care (0+ / 0-)

            which is why they don't know.  People can tell you the entire cast of American Idol, speak for hours on end about sports stats, never miss their favorite TV shows.  The American public is not overwhelmingly stupid to the point where all of this is beyond their comprehension, they simply don't care to spend the effort to stay informed.  

            Don't like XOM and OPEC? What have YOU done to reduce your oil consumption? Hot air does NOT constitute a renewable resource!

            by Asak on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 09:32:23 PM PST

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        •  almost no way = way (0+ / 0-)

          ...  there's almost no way of changing policy with Bush and the Repubs in the Senate opposing any change in policy except defunding.

          The Dems could do what the repugs did in the previous Congress: credibly threaten to nuke the filibuster.

          That wouldn't overcome the veto, but it could take away some tools of obstruction, improving leverage with the  Autocratic Executive, as well as clarify who is responsible for Congressional gridlock.

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