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  •  But with Reid, et. al giving them cover (0+ / 0-)

    we shall not exploit this opportunity as fully as we should.

    Before we impose health insurance mandates we need to make damn sure K Street cannot game the fine print.

    by Bill White on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 04:53:37 PM PST

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    •  If You Think Reid Is Bad, You Need to Read Up... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...on John Nance Garner and the Congress in which he was Speaker.  They weren't even able to organize the House and start session until December of 1931, 13 months after the election.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 05:01:10 PM PST

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      •  No argument about that (1+ / 0-)
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        If we Democrats will permit FISA amnesty anyway (for example) then what good is a landslide?

        Maybe it is like pro-wrestling, with K Street pulling all the strings and people like us cheering for Team A or Team B, and all the while the game is rigged behind the curtain.

        Before we impose health insurance mandates we need to make damn sure K Street cannot game the fine print.

        by Bill White on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 05:03:52 PM PST

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      •  The 72d Congress (2+ / 0-)
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            DH, that was the custom in even-numbered Congresses (midterm elections) going back to the beginning of the Republic. The Congress met after Presidential elections so the cabinet nominations could be voted on in the Senate, but except in unusual circumstances (e.g. the 66th Congress in 1919, dealing with post-War matters), they would adjourn on March 4th (when the old Congress's lame duck session expired) and not meet again until December. It was that way in the 64th, 68th, and 70th Congresses, and after the 71st adjourned as usual on March 3, 1931, the only way they could have met before December would have been if President Hoover had called them into session.
            Garner was a mope, but it wasn't his fault that they didn't meet until December.

      •  Party Speech 1928 v 2004 (2+ / 0-)
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        1928, the Democrats put out a serious smackdown message:

        Republican Corruption

        Unblushingly the Republican Party offers as its record agriculture prostrate, industry depressed, American shipping destroyed, workmen without employment; everywhere disgust and suspicion, and corruption unpunished and unafraid.

        Never in the entire history of the country has there occurred in any given period of time or, indeed, in all time put together, such a spectacle of sordid corruption and unabashed rascality as that which has characterized the administration of federal affairs under eight blighting years of Republican rule. Not the revels of reconstruction,  nor all the compounded frauds succeeding that evil era, have approached in sheer audacity the shocking thieveries and startling depravities of officials high and low in the public service at Washington. From cabinet ministers, with their treasonable crimes, to the cheap vendors of official patronage, from the purchasers of seats in the United States Senate to the vulgar grafters upon alien trust funds, and upon the hospital resources of the disabled veterans of the World War; from the givers and receivers of stolen funds for Republican campaign purposes to the public men who sat by silently consenting and never revealing a fact or uttering a word in condemnation, the whole official organization under Republican rule has become saturated with dishonesty defiant of public opinion and actuated only by a partisan desire to perpetuate its control of the government.

        As in the time of Samuel J. Tilden, from whom the presidency was stolen, the watchword of the day should be: "Turn the rascals out." This is the appeal of the Democratic Party to the people of the country. To this fixed purpose should be devoted every effort and applied every resource of the party; to this end every minor difference on non-essential issues should be put aside and a determined and a united fight be made to rescue the government from those who have betrayed their trust by disgracing it.

        Here's the Republicans 1928:

        We endorse without qualification the record of the Coolidge administration.

        The record of the Republican Party is a record of advancement of the nation. Nominees of Republican National conventions have for 52 of the 72 years since the creation of our party been the chief executives of the United States. Under Republican inspiration and largely under Republican executive direction the continent has been bound with steel rails, the oceans and great rivers have been joined by canals, waterways have been deepened and widened for ocean commerce, and with all a high American standard of wage and living has been established.

        By unwavering adherence to sound principles, through the wisdom of Republican policies, and the capacity of Republican administrations, the foundations have been laid and the greatness and prosperity of the country firmly established.

        Never has the soundness of Republican policies been more amply demonstrated and the Republican genius for administration been better exemplified than during the last five years under the leadership of President Coolidge.

        No better guaranty of prosperity and contentment among all our people at home, no more reliable warranty of protection and promotion of American interests abroad can be given than the pledge to maintain and continue the Coolidge policies. This promise we give and will faithfully perform.

        Under this Administration the country has been lifted from the depths of a great depression to a level of prosperity. Economy has been raised to the dignity of a principle of government. A standard of character in public service has been established under the chief Executive, which has given to the people of the country a feeling of stability and confidence so all have felt encouraged to proceed on new undertakings in trade and commerce. A foreign policy based on the traditional American position and carried on with wisdom and steadfastness has extended American influence throughout the world and everywhere promoted and protected American interests.

        The mighty contribution to general well-being which can be made by a government controlled by men of character and courage, whose abilities are equal to their responsibilities, is self-evident, and should not blind us to the consequences which its loss would entail. Under this administration a high level of wages and living has been established and maintained. The door of opportunity has been opened wide to all. It has given to our people greater comfort and leisure, and the mutual profit has been evident in the increasingly harmonious relations between employers and employees, and the steady rise by promotion of the men in the shops to places at the council tables of the industries. It has also been made evident by the increasing enrollments of our youth in the technical schools and colleges, the increase in savings and life insurance accounts, and by our ability, as a people, to lend the hand of succor not only to those overcome by disasters in our own country but in foreign lands. With all there has been a steady decrease in the burden of Federal taxation, releasing to the people the greatest possible portion of the results of their labor from Government exactions.

        For the Republican Party we are justified in claiming a major share of the credit for the position which the United States occupies today as the most favored nation on the globe, but it is well to remember that the confidence and prosperity which we enjoy can be shattered, if not destroyed, if this belief in the honesty and sincerity of our government is in any way affected. A continuation of this great public peace of mind now existing, which makes for our material well being, is only possible by holding fast to the plans and principles which have marked Republican control.

        The record of the present Administration is a guaranty of what may be expected of the next. Our words have been made deeds. We offer not promises but accomplishments.

        That's a pretty stark contrast. I wonder how it played with America after the ass fell out of the eocnomy?

        Now fast forward:

        Republicans 2004:

        When America was struck by terrorists on September 11, 2001, President Bush immediately realized that it was an act of war, not just a crime. Working with Congress, the President drew up plans to take the fight to the enemy, vowing to bring the terrorists to justice, or bring justice to the terrorists. And together, the President and Congress took steps to help the wounded, honor the dead, and secure our homeland.

        Thanks to President Bush’s leadership, the skill of the American military, and the commitment of our allies, today there are more than 50 million newly free people in the nations of Afghanistan and Iraq – and America is safer.

        The President’s leadership has also been bold and visionary at home. When the President came to office, our economy was faltering, seniors were having trouble paying for their prescription drugs, and schools were stuck in a pattern of low expectations and poor results.

        President Bush worked with Congress to lower taxes, so Americans can keep more of their own hard-earned money to spend, save, or invest, thereby growing our economy and putting people back to work.

        He worked with Congress to strengthen Medicare by adding a prescription drug benefit and giving seniors more choices to meet their individual health care needs.

        And the President worked with Congress to pass historic education reforms to ensure that every child can read. Today, higher standards and stronger accountability are getting results in classrooms across America.


        We are proud of the record we offer to the American people. We have helped America overcome extraordinary challenges. We are re-shaping our government to meet the demands of the modern world and better serve our citizens.

        We are also proud of our agenda for America’s future. President George W. Bush will lead this nation with courage, hope, and resolve over the next four years. Republicans have always been the Party of fresh ideas and new thinking. We encourage debate on the major issues of our day, and we will consistently act in accord with the greatest values of our country – freedom and opportunity for all.

        Our plans focus on ensuring that America remains safe, terrorists are defeated, and democracy flourishes in the world ... on expanding opportunities for ownership and investment ... on making tax relief permanent and ensuring greater energy independence ... on increasing the affordability and accessibility of health care ... on promoting works of compassion and strengthening our greatest values ... on preparing students for success in life by bringing the benefits of education reform to high schools ... and on helping workers adjust to a changing economy by offering flexible training options that meet their individual needs.

        Not unlike 1928, what you'd expect when defending your record.

        What did the Democrats say?
        Democrats 2004:

        For the first time in generations, we have been attacked on our own shores. Our brave men and women in uniform are still in harm's way in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war against terror. Our alliances are frayed, our credibility in doubt.

        Our great middle class is hard-pressed. Millions of Americans have lost their jobs, and millions more are struggling under the mounting burden of life's everyday costs.

        In Washington, the President and his allies stubbornly press on, without regard to the needs of our people or the challenges of our times.

        It is time for a new direction.

        John Kerry, John Edwards and the Democratic Party bring a new vision for America – strong at home, respected abroad. An America that offers opportunity, rewards responsibility, and rejoices in diversity.

        We have a plan to build a strong, respected America: protecting our people, rebuilding our alliances, and leading the way to a more peaceful and prosperous world.

        We have a plan to build a strong, growing economy: creating good jobs, rewarding hard work, and restoring fiscal discipline.

        We have a plan to help our people build strong, healthy families: securing quality health care, offering world-class education, and ensuring clean air and water.

        And we will honor the values of a strong American community: widening the circle of equality, protecting the sanctity of freedom, and deepening our commitment to this country.

        In offering this vision, we affirm our faith in the greatness of America. We recommit to the ideal of a people united in helping one another, an ideal as old as the faiths we follow and as great as the country we love. To those who are threatened, we pledge protection; to those who are victims, we promise justice; to those who are hopeless, we offer hope. And to all Americans who seek a better future for themselves, for their loved ones, and for our country, we say: your cause is our own.

        That is the America we believe in. That is the America we are fighting for. That is the America we will build together – one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

        Where's the harsh language for what was already widely considered the most disasterous administration in History?

        "Stubbornly pressed on?" That's all we had to say about 2000-2004?

        Where was the immediacy?

        Where was the prophecy that the Democrats of 1928 divined? Where was the anger, the emotion, conviction... the truth?

        That's a pretty big difference.

        The country is unprepared for this shock we're going to have, and there's been no expression for the reason it happened.

        There is no rhetorical or emotional foundation for a world changing course correction.

        There is a cognitive disconnect between Democratic Rhetoric in 2004 and the reality of 2008 that didn't seem to be there from 1928 and 1932.

        To make matters worse, the Democrats have continued to coddle this administration and to keep their mouths shut about the extreme damage they've done to America.

        How does that factor in to the 1932 similarities?

        Sharing and Caring are for Commies! They should be illegal.

        by k9disc on Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 07:35:06 PM PST

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