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  •  So why did Akaka fail to back the cloture vote (3+ / 0-)
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    this morning, in support of Dodd's filibuster, as he pledged he would?  And the other Strong Narrow Stance Presidential candidates all fail to show up for a vote that could have given us an even stronger demonstration of the strength of this filibuster?

    Not saying it's impossible, but we didn't start off well with a 76-10 to undermine the filibuster.

    Why does Shrub never talk about his first wife, Reality? He divorced her with prejudice and all of his alimony checks to her have bounced.

    by nepolon on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 01:21:07 PM PST

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    •  Yeah, but that's the vote to decide whether or... (0+ / 0-)

      ...not to vote on the vote to decide whether or not to discuss voting on an amendment to amend the amendment.  That is, this early stuff is just killing time until the big showdown.  No need to bring out the big guns just yet.

      If the Senate actually is in favor of the bill with telecom immunity by a vote of 76 to 10, then this whole thing was doomed from the start, because that means about half of Senate Democrats were in favor of the thing (plus all Senate Republicans).

    •  For Cloture (1+ / 0-)
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      When there is a cloture vote it needs 3/5th of the Senate no matter how many people are actually in attendance, so by not attending all of our presidential Senators are essentially voting against Cloture.  It is less dramatic and it prevents them from making a speech in favor but in terms of votes a the bill progressing they are not hampering our efforts.

      My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
      Philly for Obama

      by Luam on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 02:38:17 PM PST

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      •  Absolutely, but (3+ / 0-)
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        there is the subtle bigotry of silence and/or absence that makes it that much harder to sway others.  

        It's difficult to argue that Obama, for instance, is really covering Sen. Dodd's back here because he isn't giving the issue valuable face time or expending any political capital working the caucus.  I can say the same for Clinton and Biden.  

        It's not like they are actively aiding the Republicans in covering up the misdeeds of this (mis)Administration, but boy-howdy if they could have called a cease-fire in Iowa and showed up en mass to twist arms in support of this that would have been worth a few moments on the evening news, wouldn't it?

        Why does Shrub never talk about his first wife, Reality? He divorced her with prejudice and all of his alimony checks to her have bounced.

        by nepolon on Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 03:06:11 PM PST

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