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  •  that was 15 years ago. (0+ / 0-)

    Is there anything big you have changed your mind on since then?

    The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

    by mikepridmore on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 05:11:12 PM PST

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    •  How come she hasn't cahnged her mind on her Iraq (0+ / 0-)

      ... vote?

      It's not just a question of experience, it's a question of judgment.

      •  I explained that in another (0+ / 0-)

        response to you in this diary.  The threat of force got the weapons inspectors into Iraq.  Without it we wouldn't have gotten them in.  She didn't intend for Bush to go to war before the weapons inspectors were done.  That one was his fault not hers.  And it's good for presidents, in general, to be given the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves untrustworthy.

        The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

        by mikepridmore on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 05:27:26 PM PST

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        •  Baloney. (0+ / 0-)

          She supported this war until public opinion reached 60% against.

          Sure, she criticized the administration's execution of the war but she repeatedly called the war necessary.

          Again, in typical Clinton fashion, she only changed her tune when polls turned decidedly against the war.

          Like I said, it's a question of judgment.

          •  Ok that's one interpretation (0+ / 0-)

            of her actions.  Is it possible there is another interpretation that is less cynical and more true? hmmmmm.....

            The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

            by mikepridmore on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 06:07:01 PM PST

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            •  The other interpretation is that she changed (1+ / 0-)
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              ... positions when the polls reached 65% against, not 60% against.

              •  Guess again. (0+ / 0-)

                As you said, she has never apologized for the Iraq vote.  Could that possibly be because she thought it was right to use the threat of force to get inspectors in and that's why she refuses to apologize even though that would be popular to do?  Could it be possible that she doesn't poll test every decision?  But that wouldn't fit with your convenient stereotype would it?

                The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

                by mikepridmore on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 06:35:36 PM PST

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                •  Stereotype? (0+ / 0-)

                  She is part and parcel of the DLC, the very bunch of idiots (Lieberman, Bayh, Al From, fools like Peter Beinart, etc.) who cheerleaded this war and thought it was good policy to show how tough Democrats are.

                  They were wrong, incredibly so. And they spent the early years of this debacle bad-mouthing, smearing and slamming anyone to their left in the party who clearly saw through the neocon lies and said so.

                  Hillary Clinton is just what we don't need, post-Bush: the Democratic brand of neocon.

        •  Bob doesn't want replies, mike (0+ / 0-)

          He's heard all this before.  Bob cannot resist coming into every single Hillary diary there is.  He rarely misses one. He is obsessed. He has become a standing joke.

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          Hillary Clinton 2008 - Less sizzle, more steak.

          by SaneSoutherner on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 05:50:22 PM PST

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