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  •  Joe Lieberman (1+ / 0-)
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    nippersdad

    I'm taking bets he's going to play the Zell Miller re-enactment at the 2008 Republican convention.  This is the 51st Democrat.

    "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars." William Jennings Bryan

    by Navy Vet Terp on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 02:46:22 PM PST

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    •  remember that guy named (0+ / 0-)

      Ned Lamont?  That guy who was, ya know, opposed to the war and got lots of grassroots support, while the Dem party poobahs all wanted to send MORE troops to Iraq to, uh, "finish the job"?  

      Remember how much, uh, support he got from the Dem Party back then?

      If the Dems had backed their own progressive grassroots and its agenda back then, there wouldn't BE any Joe Lieberman in Congress right now.

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      by Lenny Flank on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 02:57:02 PM PST

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      •  I'm from Connecticut (1+ / 0-)
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        and you're, alas, wrong. The Reagan Democrats in Naugatuck Valley liked Joe, and although they have regrets now, they would not have listened to outsiders any more than anyone in any other state.

        Further, like the doubts about Obama that some have, there were concerns about Ned's lack of experience. They (the voters) didn't think he was wrong about the war, but they had more than that on their mind when they voted.

        Finally, Joe did well in the debates. He lied to do it (he claimed to want a Dem in the WH, then endorsed McCain), but it worked at the time.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 03:20:46 PM PST

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        •  OK, . . (0+ / 0-)

          So Lieberman was a total surprise, huh.
          (sigh)

          From now on, every time someone posts something here about "The Dems can't do anything in the Senate because Joe Lieberman is the 51st Senator", go ahead and remind us who elected him (even after he lost his party's primary to the grassroots) . . . . . .

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          by Lenny Flank on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 03:28:24 PM PST

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          •  the people of CT elected him (1+ / 0-)
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            Geotpf

            your political sense is not very finely tuned.

            Here's the breakdown in CT:

            Registered Voters: D: 704,811 (34.4%); R: 433,029 (21.2%); O: 908,647 (44.4%);

            It ain't the people's republic of berkeley, and it ain't as blue as NY or MA or RI, its neighbors.

            Joe won because he got all the R's and some of the D's (and because the R candidate was an entertaining  loser).

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 03:38:19 PM PST

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            •  There was no way Lamont could have won... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...once Lieberman entered the race as an indie and the Republicans decided to throw their own canidate under the bus.

              Lieberman was the incumbent.  It takes a lot of things to go right to take down an incumbent.  A lot of Democrats voted for him because he's been their Democratic senator for decades.  If the Republican canidate was a real canidate, then maybe there could have been a chance.  But, overwhelmingly, Republicans supported Lieberman.  That, plus a lot of indie support (indies like indies), plus a fair amount of Dem suport, meant that Lamont was doomed.  Not a damned thing that anybody in the Democratic party could do about it.

    •  Newt, Bob Barr, Saxby, Zell, (1+ / 0-)
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      Man, my state can really breed winners, can't it? I simply cannot tell you how proud I am. (snark)

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