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  •  Uh, You're Kidding Right? (0+ / 0-)

    When did we become Good Germans?

    It was apparent to anyone even remotely paying attention that we were already goosestepping toward fascism during the Clinton years.  By 1997, I was speculating if this was how the Austrians felt just before the anschluss.

    By 2000, it was clear that my timeline was wrong: we weren't reliving 1938; we were reliving 1932/1933.

    •  Please elaborate (0+ / 0-)

      I'm interested in what you think about the Clinton years.

      "With their votes, the American people asked for change. They cast their ballots in favor of a New Direction." Nancy Pelosi

      by Residentcynic on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 11:46:57 AM PST

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      •  In Hindsight, Average (3+ / 0-)

        I'm not blaming Clinton for our steady slide into fascism; it probably would have been inevitable had Dole or Gore won.

        What was becoming clearly apparent by 1997 was that many/most Americans were being easily manipulated by the MSM. Hate radio, religious fundamentalism, propaganda as news were all flourishing. More Americans were interested in what Marsha Clark was wearing at the OJ trial than they were with the fact that Newt Gingrich had shut down the government.

        Americans were no longer weighing both sides of an argument. Opinions weren't being derived from objectivity; they were coming from soundbites.

        Clinton's positives were that he did put this country back in the black, and that most classes were making money; our diplomacy was fairly solid and we didn't get bogged down in international conflict after international conflict.

        The dotCom bubble engorged itself under Clinton, and finally burst under Bush (one of the few things that can't be blamed on '43). NAFTA and the 1996 Telecommunications acts were both disasters. After HRC's failure with healthcare, the whole thing was shelved -- something the American public's been paying for ever since. Once again, we failed to accomplish any real significance in solving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Our Iraqi embargo only hurt the Iraqi people; Bush just finished the job.

        The status quo remained intact. Lobbyists flourished. He did little to heal the divisions between left and right that had been growing since Reagan; they grew under his administration and have festered under Bush. Clinton was not a progressive; he was at best a conservative democrat with centrist and some populist leanings. Despite the rhetoric, he was no JFK.

        •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

          It's hard to pin down what is at the very root of a society losing interest in their government and thus control.  Sloth? Ignorance?  Both? You are right that the propaganda/shock-jock syndrome started under Clinton and has since flourished.  Now it is considered "journalism." IMO, the media conglomeration and shift to a caustic "journalism" style is the root of the lean toward fascism.

          I also agree that NAFTA and the Telecomm. Act were alarm bells that Clinton was part of the status quo and not against it, yet we still don't hear any significant dialogue about these two egregious bills and their long-lasting effects.

          "With their votes, the American people asked for change. They cast their ballots in favor of a New Direction." Nancy Pelosi

          by Residentcynic on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 01:21:20 PM PST

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