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    •  Dude isn't quite evil. (1+ / 0-)
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      Just bought and paid for.  

      Evil takes just one more step, and before becoming completely decripit, I'm sure he will take it.

      Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21

      by funluvn1 on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 03:47:16 PM PST

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      •  To Novak's credit, he probably believes his junk (2+ / 0-)
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        I am not sure why he is so sure he understands everything so clearly, but he seems to feel somehow anointed and able to make the facts tally with his beliefs.

        Odd idea, that...

      •  No, gotta disagree. He's evil. (3+ / 0-)

        Somebody who outs a deep cover agent as cavalierly as he did...nope, he's evil.

        "A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government....President Bush has repeatedly violated the law for six years." Al Gore

        by psnyder on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 06:25:18 PM PST

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        •  It's not stupidity or evil... (1+ / 0-)
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          he - like many right-wingers - is simply psychotic.  He's Delusional.

          Delusional disorder is classified as a psychotic disorder, a disorder where a person has trouble recognizing reality. A delusion is a false belief that is based on an incorrect interpretation of reality. Delusions, like all psychotic symptoms, can occur as part of many different psychiatric disorders. But the term delusional disorder is used when delusions are the most prominent symptom.

          A person with this illness holds a false belief firmly, despite clear evidence or proof to the contrary.

          Hence, despite the facts involving how the NIE is actually produced and the CIA level of involvement in producing it, Novaks - and oh, so many other Neo-Con Syncophants - continue to believe that it's calm assesment of the Non-Threat that Iran presents is somehow tantamount to Treason against the Bush Administration.  

          How dare they not believe the Bullshit we Believe?

          The intensity of this psychosis isn't strong enough to be considered "clinical" or to require hospitalization, but it is far more than just a "difference of opinion" - it's a difference in the way they percieve reality.

          There are several types of delusions. Themes of persecution are common. Other types are erotic, grandiose, jealous or somatic (that is, delusions about the body). People with delusional disorder usually do not have hallucinations or a major problem with mood. Unlike people with schizophrenia, they tend not to appear odd or exhibit odd emotions.

          Theme of persecution you say?  Such as the dreaded "War on Christmas"?  Unlike schizophrenics, they seem normal, most of the time - but they aren't.

          The truly frightening part is that Novak is far from alone.

          Shared psychotic disorder is also known as folie a deux ("the folly of two"). It is a rare condition in which an otherwise healthy person (secondary case) shares the delusions of a person with a psychotic disorder (primary case), such as schizophrenia, who has well-established delusions.

          So you start with Hoekstra who shares his delusions with Novak, who then writes them and spreads them to thousands of others.  The same happens on right-wing radio, and frankly Fox News - The Psychotic Friends Network.

          For example: A person with a psychotic disorder believes (illegal?) aliens are spying on him or her. The person with shared psychotic disorder will also begin to believe in spying aliens. The delusions are induced in the secondary case and usually disappear when the people are separated. Aside from the delusions, the thoughts and behavior of the secondary case usually are fairly normal.

          And so it continues to spread....

          My point here isn't simply to denigrate those on the right by claiming they are mentally deficient in some way - let me clearly state they are not - it's only to point out that they are completely impervious to facts and logic that fly in the face of the shared delusions.  Pointing them out will only heighten their "persecution complex" and paranoia.  They aren't dumb or evil, in fact they are in many ways quite brilliant.  You can't talk them down.  They aren't coming down.   But we can identify them, identify their psychosis and prevent others from falling into the same trap(s).

          Arguing with them about this stuff is like trying to teach a pig to sing, it's only wastes your time and annoys the pig.


          •  If they were delusional, I wouldn't feel so bad (1+ / 0-)
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            Then there would be some kind of excuse for their actions. However, calling people like Novak delusional is giving him an out he doesn't deserve. People like Novak e.g. ORielly, Limbaugh, Savage, and every other Republican hack that ever stained America's conciousness are nothing more then paid propagandists. They work for the same people who put Bush and Cheney in office with the intent of removing every and any regulatory obstacle to making more money than God.
            You see, that's what the last seven years were really about. Not God, value, family, abortion, terrorism, gays, or immigration but money.
            Novak is a lying son of a bitch for the money, nothing more.

            No being has inherent power, only the illusion of power granted by others who similarly have none.

            by Mark701 on Tue Dec 25, 2007 at 09:18:18 AM PST

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            •  Well, (0+ / 0-)

              that comes down to a question of how much of his own bullshit does he himself believe?  If he honestly knows he's full of crap, then he's just a liar as you suggest - but if he has reached a point where he's starting to believe his own lies - he bought into the delusion and has crossed the line into fantasy and psychosis.


          •  Delusional disorder (0+ / 0-)

            typically manifests in the form of very obviously untrue or irrational delusions. Now, it's obvious to you and I that Robert Novak and his sources share the journalistic equivalent of herpes, but that's not quite the level of detachment from reality indicated by an actual delusion. A delusion is something along the lines of "sometime ago everybody I knew was replaced with an identical impostor" or "that arm attached to my torso isn't mine, it belongs to another patient." Usually it's the result of a biological hardware failure. What distinguishes a delusion from a pervasive psychotic disorder like schizophrenia is its isolated character; usually, the delusional individual is still sane and normal in other respects. This additionally sets the sufferer of delusional disorder apart from Robert Novak.

      •  Betting on EVIL. Novakula calls himself (0+ / 0-)

        the Prince of Darkness.

        That's pretty audacious, and starts to look like Anton LeVay territory. Of course, compared to serial murderers and genocidists, Anton is merely a clown. Novak is probably just a clown as well, but a self-proclaimed Satanic EVIL clown.

        Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

        by doinaheckuvanutjob on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 07:13:09 PM PST

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