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  •  McCain will be the GOP nominee (10+ / 0-)

    Huckabee is creating panic within the ranks.

    Rudy and Romney are collapsing.

    Thompson is a bozo

    Mccain is all they have left.

    But we will crush McCain, because his persona is not reality.  His approval ratings have nowhere to go but down.

    •  We're not doing ourselves (22+ / 0-)

      any favors by counting out McCain's chances. Give him the right Veep, and he's formidable; he polls best out of the whole sorry lot.

      "People who speak in metaphors should shampoo my crotch." ~- Jack Nicholson

      by MBNYC on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:08:36 AM PST

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      •  I agree (9+ / 0-)

        Despite his staunch conservatism, there are so many more-moderate-than-thou types and even some relatively soft or relatively uninformed liberals who think he is this wonderfully moderate tolerant bipartisan guy.  An image a worshipful media has given him despite his conservatism and despite the fact that they never give such an image to any Dem (except St. Lieberman when he still was one) despite how much more flexible and non-ideological so many Dem politicians are compared to McCain and the GOPers.

        I think people would eventually figure out the truth about the McCain, I just don't want it to be after one or two successfully won or stolen elections for him, like it was with Bush.  

        The only place where Republicans are anywhere close to responsible is in the dictionary.

        by DemDachshund on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:19:30 AM PST

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      •  He does poll the best (2+ / 0-)
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        Rudy does ok, too.

        But it's going to be Huckabee.  His momentum is too strong for the Wall Street types to stop.  The religious wingnut monster is out of it's cage and it can't be stopped.

        ...well, until the general election, at least.  Huckabee will lose 35 states or more.

      •  Right Wing Blogs Hate McCain With a Vengence (3+ / 0-)
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        He's like Ron Paul to them because of his lukewarm stands on immigration and rejection of torture.

        But he is dragging around a lot of baggage from the Abramoff scandal. Do any of our candidates have the nerve to say "boo" about corruption with Rahm Emanuel always declaring it a non-issue.

        •  What baggage? (1+ / 0-)
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          What was McCain's baggage regarding the Abramoff scandal?

          •  this is from.... (5+ / 0-)
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            media matters:

            Take, for example, the article Reuters ran about a forthcoming Vanity Fair article in which former Republican lobbyist and admitted felon Jack Abramoff disclosed that he "worked closely with many top Republicans, despite their claims to the contrary." The Vanity Fair article includes this passage:

               "Mr. Abramoff flatters himself," Mark Salter, McCain's administrative assistant, tells [Vanity Fair contributing editor David] Margolick. "Senator McCain was unaware of his existence until he read initial press accounts of Abramoff's abuses, and had never laid eyes on him until he appeared before the committee."

               Abramoff says, "As best I can remember, when I met with him, he didn't have his eyes shut. I'm surprised that Senator McCain has joined the chorus of amnesiacs."

            The Reuters article about the Vanity Fair piece began: "Disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff said in the latest issue of Vanity Fair magazine that he worked closely with many top Republicans, despite their claims to the contrary."

            Yet Reuters didn't mention John McCain at all, focusing instead on comparatively insignificant Republicans like Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT) and Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman. The Vanity Fair passage about McCain perfectly fit the premise of the Reuters article -- it shows Abramoff contradicting McCain's claim, through a spokesman, that he had never met Abramoff. If Abramoff is telling the truth, we've learned two things: McCain has ties to one of the most corrupt lobbyists ever to walk the earth, and he's lying about it. McCain is among the most famous Republicans in America, and a leading contender for the party's 2008 presidential nomination.

            I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

            by nonnie9999 on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 09:01:50 AM PST

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      •  Also, most of the male TV talking heads (4+ / 0-)

        and Broderite columnists have overwhelming man-crushes on McCain. Pretty pathetic, but it would help drive the campaign narrative, and not to our advantage.

      •  You're Right (4+ / 0-)
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        We should not forget that McCain has cross-party support and does not have the flip-flop problem other candidates have, because he has been consistent to his own detriment within his party.

        With Hillary rumored to be going outside the current candidates for a Veep (Bob Kerrey - war hero) I would not be surprised if McCain does get the nod to do the same to balance his ticket with a surprise Veep candidate (African American or a woman).

      •  agree (0+ / 0-)

        he would crush Hillary...he gives on-the-fence indies the candidate they want, because a large bit of them would look for any reason at all to not vote for Hillary.

        McCain has no close affiliation w/ the religious nut jobs, he believes we are causing global warming and he would cease torture. All these appealto indies.

        I honestly believe Hillary would continue torture, albeit in a more "professionally" run manner, if she thought it would get her more support and allow her to appear more "tough". To Hillary everything is a political decision, not a decision based on her own principles. I say all this with great sadness and disappointment.

        As a side would be funny for McCain to run that Romney ad in its entirety, and, at the end, give the "I'm John McCain and i approve this message" comment.

        •  I disagree ... (0+ / 0-)

          I think Hillary does, believe it or not, have cross party appeal.  Witness the moderates that are leaving the repub party because they feel it's been hijacked by the far right on immigration.  They tend, more often than not, to support Hillary.  

          Yes, McCain might be her toughest challenger, but I believe it would be close and in the end the apathy of those on the right that vehemently despise McCain, and his age will be factors.

          Nor do I believe Hillary would continue torture.  I believe her political calculations to be what they are, strict calculations by a political pro to get into office.  Like the article said:

          "practically every candidate, particularly those with presidential aspirations, will adapt his or her campaign rhetoric to some degree in order to better appeal to the electorate;"  

          But I believe her when she says that she's the same person she's been for her last 35 years in political life and have a hard time buying that this anti-war (growing up), hippie girl from the sixties would in the long run compromise her principles on such a key issue as torture.  The fact remains, despite what the pro-torture wingnuts and their propaganda apologists in the CIA would have you believe, torture does NOT work ... something the FBI has been aware of for decades.  It just requires a dem to be elected to office that will bring emphasis to this fact to expose it to be the sham that it is.

      •  You've missed the point (0+ / 0-)

        He polls well now, but that's because people don't really know him.

        He's got nowhere to go but down.

    •  Rudy's dragging an Oxycontin ball and chain.. (6+ / 0-)

      NYT on Rudy & Oxycontin - see :  

      Romney's spooked because he seems to be reenacting his father's political mistakes.

      McCain has said some pretty nutty things though.

    •  The cancer really disfigured his face (1+ / 0-)
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      And that ugly graft seems to be collecting fluid

    •  McCain will do the crushing (4+ / 0-)
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      At least if he's running against HRC.  He will get the GOP base AND many indies and moderate democrats.  And since Bushco and the media have whitewashed the situation in Iraq, people won't notice that he's trying to resolve his Vietnam issues by "winning" in Iraq.  

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:54:41 AM PST

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