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  •  people are probably getting tired (7+ / 0-)

    of this friendly little reminder----my friend in Grinnell, a veteran caucus attendee, explained to me that it does not matter to whom a non-viable candidate may steer his supporters---almost all pay no attention and go off in ones or twos to their own 2nd choices----and some may even go out the door.
     And I am reminded about the goofiness of the whole thing in Iowa when she told me that in 2004 she went to the caucus a Dean supporter and her husband was an Edwards supporter and they both came out as Kerry supporters.  Anything can happen---and does.
     And Go Obama!

    •  Goofiness? (3+ / 0-)
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      dbratl, red 83, ChicagoStudent

      But that's the premise of the caucus system: you go to listen to the reasoned arguments of friends and neighbors whose intelligence and point of view you respect. It presupposes an open mind and free discourse. From the collective wisdom a principled consensus emerges. It's only possible if you are willing to come home supporting someone other than the person you went into it expecting to support.

      Or one can have encased self-serving unyielding opinions combined with the best vote-swaying PR that deep-pocket financial contributions can buy in order to influence folks who haven't thought about it that much, don't really care to, and are willing to invest no more than the ten minutes it takes to get into and out of a voting booth.

      •  It seems goofy to me----I would make a horrible (0+ / 0-)

        caucus person.  No one would be able to persuade me to support someone other than Obama----not even with a knife to my throat and a gun to my head.  well...maybe the gun---but doubt it.  And I don't understand people who are so easily swayed.  And so unsure of themselves and their own thought processes.
         

        •  the ideaological gulf (1+ / 0-)
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          dbratl

          between our candidates is not nearly as wide as you'd presume.  I'd be happy with any of the Dems (even Gravel!) being elected.  They are all relatively progressive.

          "The American People are not the problem in this country; they are the answer." --Barack Obama

          by ChicagoStudent on Sat Dec 29, 2007 at 12:37:45 AM PST

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    •  Not my experience (1+ / 0-)
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      dbratl

      The non-viable Kucinich group walked right over to the Edwards group at my caucus in 2004.  People tried to talk to them, but no, they'd been told to do that and they did it, in spite of the fact that Kucinich's very biggest issue was the war and Edwards had of course voted for the IWR and had yet to apologize.  I was a bit surprised that they did that so readily.

      •  Was that the exception or the rule though? (1+ / 0-)
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        Kucinich supporters strike me as being rare but comitted to their guy.

        Somone Chris Dodd talked to in a waffle house, not so much.

        •  I have no idea (3+ / 0-)
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          dbratl, Quicklund, red 83

          That was my own experience.  The caucus was very large - over 250 people.  There were at least a dozen or more Kucinich people.  Perhaps they were so devoted that they just did as Kucinich asked.

          I should do a diary just to tell some outrageously funny caucus stories that my friends and I shared afterwards.  It's frankly an insane process.

      •  I guess it's different in each precinct---- (1+ / 0-)
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        dbratl

        some people are obedient ---and some aren't----just like in real life.
         I don't think I'd be obedient.

        •  No doubt (1+ / 0-)
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          dbratl

          My friends and family all shared our stories the next day, and some crazy stuff was going down.  Each one was very different, all were amusing in some way, and some were also massively frustrating.  To be honest, I'd rather just fill out a ballot.

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