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  •  The Nebraska Democratic Party (0+ / 0-)

    'Leadership' has always been (at least for the last 30 years or so) a pretty closed bunch and they don't like people bringing up silly things like rules.

    On the other hand, better SOMEBODY on the ballot than NOBODY.  A Conservative Democrat will still vote with us more often than a Republican.  I absolutely agree that our state and local parties have collapsed since the 'glory' days of Jim Exon and Bob Kerry, but throwing grenades isn't going to get us anywhere.

    I'd love to have a Kennedy-type Progressive here who had a prayer of winning, but this ain't New England.

    I've been in and out of State Party politics since Jimmy Carter and there are always folks who (rightly or wrongly) think the leadership is a bunch of crooks.  If you have any evidence of criminal wrongdoing, take it to the AG (he'd LOVE you for it).  Otherwise, STFU and try to find us some good candidates.  You're a part of the party structure that's supposed to be doing that, not just complaining about it.  

    •  That's the thing (1+ / 0-)
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      All they do is talk and talk and they don't accomplish anything!

      The rest of us at NNN are trying to change the landscape in one way or another and all Osborn and Dorsh do is sit on their butt and complain. (We volunteer, we help fundraise, we blog for, etc...) They do nothing!

      I don't want to see Raimondo as our nominee either which is why I am trying to Draft Scott Kleeb to run rather than waste my time on nonsense.

      These two are a joke and they need to grow up or go away.

      •  Bullshit (0+ / 0-)

        Mike, you are speaking out of your ass and you know it. I volunteer, I fundraise, I waste my time blogging at least as much as you do. I have also been instrumental in the formation of the 3rd Congressional District Organization, I help put out a newsletter, designed a website for the 3rd CDO, I sit on three different NDP committees.

        So for you to say such things then follow Mr. Michaelis' lead in condemning me for giving a damn is disappointing. I expected better from you.

        Gimmee back my country!

        by NebraskaLefty on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 10:34:33 AM PST

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        •  Ha! Expect better from me...? (0+ / 0-)

          Why? Because I gave you the benefit of the doubt when everyone told me I shouldn't?

          You always say that you aren't entitled to your own set of facts. Well, is anything Kyle wrote in that letter inaccurate? Hmm. Because it isn't.

          I don't blame Kyle and everyone else for being tired of you and your self serving bullshit. What you fail to realize is that I agree with you more than you know but you have no credability to make any arguements or alliances with.

          •  Facts (0+ / 0-)

            Several of the things Kyle wrote in his rant are factually inaccurate.

            Tell me Mike, what is self serving about banging my head continuously against the brick wall of resistance I have gotten to reforming the NDP? I'm not a masochist.

            The NDP will never be as Liberal as I would like it to be. What I've been fighting for, at great personal cost in both time and money, has been to revive a Nebraska Democratic Party that those Independents and moderate Republicans that left us would be proud to come home to.

            I've begun to think I'm wasting my time. When the President of the Nebraska Young Republicans supports an oligarchy rather than the people, when the best we can offer our fellow Democrats is a washed up Republican on our ballot, what's the point?

            Gimmee back my country!

            by NebraskaLefty on Sun Dec 30, 2007 at 03:28:22 PM PST

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        •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

          This is your M.O., every time someone points out that you're full of shit, you attack them.

      •  Are you the newly appointed fuhrer at NNN? (0+ / 0-)

        I have read NNN but not commented there... mostly because it is mostly a whole bunch of people whining and making personal attacks, much like you just did above..

        BT - Ne Lefty surely kicked a hornets nest when he posted that letter here... but as far as I can tell, he is right in the fact that the by laws are being broken by the Leadership, and their response when questioned about it is... too bad.

        Don't make out that he is some Idiot crying in the wilderness, he has a lot of supporters here in NE, that will back his stance that the BYLAWS should be followed. Up to and including filing a lawsuit against the NE Dem leaders to make them answer for it.

        I agree that drafting or getting Scott Kleeb to run is the best course, (and I am registered to support him) but I also believe laws are laws.
        And BT has a very good point.

        Also - You must be another young college age kid like Kyle... the point of his whole letter and your post above is you wanting people to go away that you don't like to hear from, or dislike hearing an opinion different from your own.  

        The very reason BTO posted that letter here, and has had to go public with some dirty laundry is... people like you, and Kyle and the leadership don't want to face facts and answer the basic question
        WHY is the NE Dem party not following their own bylaws?

        There are a lot of people on NNN that need to grow up and act like adults... but I would say in my opinion that You and Kyle should be at the top of that list.

        •  There are those who watch... (0+ / 0-)

          And those who act. I refuse to sit on the sidelines or simply complain. I'm actively working to change the Democratic Party in Nebraska. So is Kyle. So is Mike. Brian believes by simply complaining loudly about it and removing one figurehead leader of the NDP you will magically change the culture here. And he insults anyone who tells him it's not that easy.

          P.S.: A helpful hint, and this is really meant as constructive criticism, your blog would be a lot easier to read if you made it clear which material is yours and which material you are copying from another source. A "blockquote" tag should do the trick.

          •  See my other comments above...and (0+ / 0-)

            You only reason you are here is to back up your friend Kyle, who stepped way over the line with his letter..

            Everyone  - (including Brian) is entitled to their own opinion about where OUR party goes and what is best for it... not just YOU and your little crowd of Young Dems.

            Kudos for all your work trying to build the party, but in that same vein... don't tear down other people that are not like you, and don't think like you, people that also care about the party and the future, like Brian.

            Change will come the NDP, it can come from inside via the leaders or from the outside via the grassroots... but it is coming.

            Brian believes by simply complaining loudly about it and removing one figurehead leader of the NDP you will magically change the culture here. And he insults anyone who tells him it's not that easy.

            That's your opinion.. I disagree.

            And thanks for the hint about using block quote... I am using it... when I am not rebuilding the site from scratch with a backup after being hacked - twice, or fighting off trackback spams from servers in China owned by someone from the Netherlands...

            I must have pissed someone off somewhere...

      •  Um no... (0+ / 0-)

        All they do is talk and talk and they don't accomplish anything!

        You know better than that... what magical part of thin air are you getting your ideas from to make a false statement like that?

        So far my opinion of you, Kyle and Dave and all the other activist NE Young Dems is that you can't handle people that disagree with you.

        AND You all complain just as much as anyone else that posts on NNN, and here..

        You seem to want to be invovled in politics on your own little "life in a bubble" terms, well your inexperience is showing, badly.  Life and especially politics is nothing like that.

        I am coming to the conclusion that you and all your friends, Kyle, Dave, etc bring youthful energy to the party but not much else, and you surely don't respect people with more worldly and political experience than your own.

        AND someone YOUR age telling people much older than YOU are, to grow up or go away... is pretty laughable.

         

    •  Leadership... (0+ / 0-)

      'Leadership' has always been (at least for the last 30 years or so) a pretty closed bunch and they don't like people bringing up silly things like rules.

      On the other hand, better SOMEBODY on the ballot than NOBODY."
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      So accepting the status quo is good?

      And I don't care HOW anyone casts a light on it...
      Raimundo is WORSE than nobody... he's a lifelong Republican switching sides to get a Senate seat.. and the power that goes with it. I suspect his motives in doing so, and I won't support him.

      And the leadership is either ignoring the FACT that this violates the NE DEM Constitution...  or they don't care.

      And either way...  it's not good.

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