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  •  He lost by not winning (0+ / 0-)

    I'm sorry, but Iowa was always a must-win state for Edwards. He got a weak second place, that's not anything to brag about.

    I'd be more than willing to take a bet, it'll either be that John Edwards drops out after New Hampshire, or he'll become such a non-entity that he may as well have dropped out.

    And don't complain that my post was partisan, this whole topic is partisan by nature, it is not in keeping with reality.

    •  Nothing But Partisan (0+ / 0-)

      Edwards beat the frontrunner. Who says IA was "must win" for Edwards, except you, whose judgement you've now confessed is entirely in the service of your partisan preference for Obama.

      So I bet you $100, donated to either Edwards or to Obama. If Edwards announces he's dropped out by FRI, 1/11/08 (a week from today, 3 days after NH), I'll donate $100 to Obama. If Edwards is still in the race on SAT 1/12/08, you'll donate $100 to Edwards.

      OK?

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 05:20:45 AM PST

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      •  Such hypocrisy (0+ / 0-)

        I know I'm a partisan Obama supporter, it's in my signature, I don't lie about it, nor do I try to hide it. You're clearly a partisan Edwards supporter, so accusing me of partisanship is ridiculous. Much as I would like to take a bet like that, I'm not in a position to be donating any money right now, I have to buy textbooks for my next semester, and because I can't read John Edwards's mind, it's still a risk.

        As for people who said that Edwards needed to win Iowa:

        Stu Rothenberg

        Iowa Losers.

        1. John Edwards.

        Anyone who listened to Edwards’s caucus night speech had to be asking, "What’s he smoking?"

        After drawing 32 percent in the 2004 caucuses and spending the next four years camped out in the state, Edwards finished essentially tied for second on Thursday. To make matters worse, the other "change" candidate in the contest, Barack Obama, finished first. And, Obama’s optimistic change message trumped Edwards’s angry, populist message.

        Edwards, who railed against corporate greed, focused on jobs and trade and aimed his message at the "little guy," lost union households to both Clinton and Obama.

        Edwards will now have major resource problems, and he isn’t likely to do well in New Hampshire. If his comments last night are any indication, he isn’t likely to go quietly. But the former North Carolina senator is in serious trouble. He needed to win in Iowa, and he didn’t. It’s just that simple.

        Jay Cost

        Edwards is also done, in my opinion. He can't have much money left. He's in distant third everywhere in the nation. And nobody will be talking about him anymore. I expect him to linger - but it is clear that he is not the anti-Hillary candidate on the Democratic side. The big question: where does the 10-15% of the Democratic electorate who supports Edwards go?

        I'd like to know why this will be any different for Edwards than 2004? Back then, John Edwards did come out of nowhere to score a surprising second place. That didn't give him the boost he needed to storm the rest of the states, and John Kerry was not nearly as strong in the primaries as Obama and Hillary are now. Edwards has done no better than he did 4 years ago despite having far better name recognition than before in Iowa. I'm not making any of this stuff up, I'm not letting my partisan blinders take over, in fact it seems that it's you guys who are doing it.

        •  You Lose (0+ / 0-)

          Thanks for eating your words, even though you're trying to act like you're not. Though I would have preferred to see you pay for at least another week or so of being so wrong.

          Maybe you should invest that $100 in a political science textbook. Maybe you should just bet Cost and Rothenberg that Edwards won't drop out. Then you'd still have enough to invest in both the textbook and in Edwards, which any honest person would know he owed him after your cheap behavior.

          Oh yeah, "you guys"? Who's that? I'm not even a registered Democrat. Just more partisan prattle from someone who didn't even have the courage to bet me maybe the $5 he could afford. Because, like I said, all you are is partisan - a hollow partisan, at that.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:55:04 PM PST

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