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  •  prop 92 (5+ / 0-)
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    norm, Ray Radlein, eugene, SecondComing, Boalt

    sets the per-unit rate at $15.

    oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.

    The Nexus has you.

    by Dante Atkins on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 05:39:05 PM PST

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    •  Isn't it $20 now (1+ / 0-)
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      "Constitutional Crisis Forthcoming"

      by egarratt on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 05:40:28 PM PST

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      •  It is $20 now... (6+ / 0-)

        I have children who go to the community colleges.  We are sufficiently low income that they always get a fee waiver.  

        But I remember in the old days when community college was free (that was pre-Prop 13).  That is government supporting people attempting to better themselves that we should be supporting.  And since community college is overwhelming those who come from lower income backgrounds, free is the way it ought to be.

        I know that free is not in the cards now, but anything that moves the cost in that direction is going to help a lot of people who would not go otherwise.

        •  Try $100 a credit? (2+ / 0-)
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          I live in Idaho, in the largest metro area in the nation (Boise) that has NO community college. The closest one is over the Oregon border 50 miles away.

          Last year, after the uberGOP legislature again failed to help Boise get a CC, a special election was held to start a CC district here. It needed two-thirds approval and got it. The bare-bones version should open this fall.

          $20 a credit? $15? At the handful of other community colleges in Idaho, it's $100+ per credit - still a bargain compared to four-year schools.

          California, you have no idea how lucky you are to have your superb CC system.

        •  So how is it I'm paying $13... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...per credit at DeAnza this quarter? Plus fees of course but if I was taking a full load (which I'm not - this is just a part-time 3-5 units per quarter certificate program while I work full-time) it would still come out WELL below $20/unit.

          conscietious objector in the battle of the sexes

          by plymouth on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 06:41:51 PM PST

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          •  I went to De Anza! (1+ / 0-)
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            (and Foothill) back in the 70s - a lifetime ago. I can't remember what it cost, but I know it was really cheap and affordable to go to a California community college back then - which was why I went there for the first 2 years. No more, I guess...

            With Wes Clark out I guess it's time for me to pay attention to the '08 democratic field

            by everhopeful on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:26:21 PM PST

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          •  Quarter system vs semester system is the answer (4+ / 0-)
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            I was a teacher at Foothill College for 18 years, so know a little about DeAnza and Foothill--they're in the same district.  Along with the CC in Truckee, they are the only colleges on the quarter system.  It's $20 per semester unit, but $13 per quarter unit.  It works out to roughly the same amount in the end.  

        •  People take it more seriously now (0+ / 0-)

          I'm working on a 2nd bachelor's at a State college, but I wanted to save some money by taking a couple of lower division classes at a local JC. I was impressed by the quality of students and the relatively low dropout rate. Back when it was free people didn't take it that seriously. They would drop out late in the semester, assuming they could just re-enroll again next semester. When you have a few dollars on the line, you're more likely to decide to make that extra effort to finish the class instead of dropping out.

          You vote independent... I'll stick with the party that brought us social security, civil rights, and environmental protection.

          by dianem on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:11:37 PM PST

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        •  And in the early '70s the CSU system (0+ / 0-)

          was 89 dollars per semester for a full load.

          by LindaR on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:41:07 PM PST

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