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  •  Woman who asked the question voted Obama (10+ / 0-)

    http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/...

    It's interesting that what made Hillary tear up was not a question about the fate of people like the girl who was denied the liver transplant, or the soliders who died in Iraq. It was a question about "how she gets up in the morning" to face the tribulations of the campaign trail. In other words, to Clinton, it's all about HER. I want a President who is moved by the plight of OTHERS not him or herself!

    "We are building a political movement -- not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." --De

    by Jim in Chicago on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:32:59 AM PST

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    •  oh dear god (8+ / 0-)

      It was about what motivates her to do this, as personally taxing and exhausting it is.

      •  If campaigning for President is so difficult for (5+ / 0-)

        her....

        Does anyone REALLY think what she has faced in the primary so far comes even close to what our nominee will face in the general election???!!!

        "We are building a political movement -- not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." --De

        by Jim in Chicago on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:39:16 AM PST

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      •  it was about the "collective" her. (1+ / 0-)
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        that is how i know it was staged. she wanted something that working class women would identify with. she turned the monotinous churning day in and day out exhaustion of her campaign into that "how can i keep it all together and put up with all of this shit" frustration that women deal with everyday with job and family. she may as well have played aretha in the background.  

        REALITY IS NOT ALWAYS PROBABLE,OR LIKELY. JORGE LUIS BORGES

        by AltruisticSkeptic on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:48:02 AM PST

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        •  this was hillary's " i feel your pain moment." (5+ / 0-)

          i wonder who scripted it?

          REALITY IS NOT ALWAYS PROBABLE,OR LIKELY. JORGE LUIS BORGES

          by AltruisticSkeptic on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:52:42 AM PST

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          •  This is simple the republicans voted for her (0+ / 0-)

            to keep their hate campaigns going..end of story.

            We will never forget the crimes and atrocities committed by the Bush administration!

            by Freedom Loving American on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:04:39 PM PST

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            •  Is this possible? (0+ / 0-)

              I, too, had this thought pass through my brain, particularly since this is what often happens in Texas politics. If one is registered as a Republican in NH, is it possible to vote in the Democratic primary? They love to hate Hillary.

            •  Then ándale! (0+ / 0-)

              We saw in upstate New York during her first Senate campaign that people tend to like Hillary more after they meet her.  So the Rethugs ratchet up their hate machine after a Hillary nomination.  The inevitable Green campaign (please, not Nader!) attacks her from the Left.  The Clintonesque triangulation by her opponents completed, the race becomes hers to lose.  

              [1]To the folks worrying about all the ugly the Rethugs will throw at Hillary, rest assured that they have some homeopathic Ku Kluxry in the works for Obama (or Richardson) and sickening attacks on Edwards' gender conformance or his wife should Edwards win.

              Dems in 2008: An embarassment of riches. Repubs in 2008: Embarassments.

              by Yamaneko2 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:10:46 PM PST

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            •  LOL - delusions are fun! everyone needs one! (2+ / 0-)

              So if Obama gets repub votes its good - -
              If HRC gets repub votes its bad?
              Now I get it!

              Oprah? Nah, I'm voting however Jerry Springer tells me to.

              by Barry in MIA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:10:49 PM PST

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              •  Children Children Children (0+ / 0-)

                The point may be missed. The rightwing has setup Hillary to be the democratic nominee.  They have the attack ads already made,  plus they can recycle Bills and it will be a good’ol barnburning, we can relive Whitewater (the heinous crime of losing money in a real estate adventure) travel gate (featuring an insidious $3.00 tip) and they will develop a new Watergate (the time Hillary wasted a half bottle of water) and many more...  
                Granted how any idiot could believe any of blatant the rightwing propaganda is simply silly in its own right but this Hillary is their choice...  
                While this charade is going on bush will continue to raid the treasury of additional trillions going to corrupt war profiteers and his good ol’buddies...and the WMD’s (war mongering ducebags ,.aka MSM) will go along for the ride.

                Why do you think the democrats have raised more money so far because big business and billionaires watched, "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" and their hearts became 2 sizes larger. LMAO

                This is a fun website.  

                We will never forget the crimes and atrocities committed by the Bush administration!

                by Freedom Loving American on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:40:37 PM PST

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            •  Damn ... (2+ / 0-)
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              Someone really hunted down those middle- and working-class Republican women and delivered 'em for Hillary, big time.

              The hate is one thing, but what is with the unfathomable stupidity?

              The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

              by al Fubar on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:13:59 PM PST

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            •  Or maybe it was the op-scan machines (0+ / 0-)

              Why do the media, the candidates and even kossaks have such a hard time considering the possibility that the vote-counting was fraudulent?

              * The election results were different from the polls... all of them... dramatically.

              * The results of hand-counted paper ballots were different from the op-scan results.

              * One company, with a shady history, controlled all of the hardware and software used.

              Just sayin'.

              Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.

              by gravitylove on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 06:09:14 PM PST

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        •  Do you have proof for your vitriol? (0+ / 0-)

          If not go to redstate for your trash and burn, attack the person, politics of hate.  They will cheer you there.  How the hell do you use altruistic in your tag and not gag at your own hypocrisy.

          •  do you have proof that it was not staged? (0+ / 0-)

            how is it an attack to point out a political maneuver? she sure as hell was not going to give up, someone had to come up with a hail mary if the polls were showing a loss. it seems her supporters would be high-fiving her political savvy, lbj style. i am not naive, there is a political game being played, and she knew where she needed the votes. are you ashamed of political tactics? what do you think goes on behind the scenes?  what do you think those consultants get paid for? i do not need applause for neutral observations.  if i were her supporter, i would think it was a brilliant thing and would not take offense.

            REALITY IS NOT ALWAYS PROBABLE,OR LIKELY. JORGE LUIS BORGES

            by AltruisticSkeptic on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:16:59 PM PST

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    •  Sad (19+ / 0-)

      I think comments like this are why she was tearing up.  I know Clinton isn't perfect, but she's spent her life on the right side of most issues, and her voting record is just as progressive as Obama's and Edward's.  To say that she's selfish and that it's "all about HER" is unfair.  Save that kind of talk for the Republicans.

      •  You got it. (1+ / 0-)
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        The hatred from some kossacks is scary.  I wanted to believe they were just trolls pretending to be liberal and/or progressive.  But can there be that many trolls here?

        This is so disturbing.  The bitterness and vitriol coming from so many seemingly Obama supporters is quite disturbing.  Their lies and spin here are serving to make me not want to support their candidate ever...but I am fighting that feeling.  In the end, I know I will vote for whomever the nominee is.  But I sadly believe these types will throw yet another temper tantrum and vote republican.

    •  Well I don't know about that... (0+ / 0-)

      ...but I think Hillary would have had that emotional and genuine moment there whatever questions she would have been asked.

      It's like when she was laughing (genuinly) all the time during debates and interviews a few months ago. It' all campaign tactics. I thought it would backfire, but I was wrong. People like this stuff. Penn is earning his money after all :).

      Clinton/Bush changing the White House since 1981! Give the DLC one more shot!

      by Zagatzz on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:50:10 AM PST

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    •  interesting footnote, the woman (0+ / 0-)

      who asked Hillary has she was that day, ended up voting for Obama. So the strangeness continues.

      Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. -Robert F. Kennedy

      by wishingwell on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:20:05 PM PST

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    •  The ugly face of literalism rears its head (7+ / 0-)

      Modes of Interpretation-what do they reveal?

      One event, rather simple, nationally televised and rebroadcast thousands of times throughout one 24 hr. period, and yet, the meaning of it is neither straight-forward nor obviously commonly shared.  Me thinks there is more to be learned about the interpreters than there is about the subject of the event.  

      She didn't tear up at the question. She teared up midway through the response to the question when she was talking and presumably thinking, not about the original question of how she does it, but about the more serious stuff embedded in the question, about the the why bother part, the what was at stake part, which is most decidedly NOT about her.  

      There are, of course, generous and ungenerous modes of interpretation for events. Even something as simple as one question to a candidate can reveal that. What this one event reveals to me is how astonishingly broad the plane of ungenerosity in our public sphere actually is.  

      Frankly we should all be glad that her response indicates she can start with one thought and build upon it, even moving beyond a very narrow focus to make connections.  Our current CIC can't do that and doesn't want to.  Obviously many people observing the Presidential primaries can't do it either.  In all the brouhaha, I find it refreshing to uncover evidence of the ability of thought processes among our public figures. For awhile there I was beginning to wonder if we'd ever see it again.

       

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:48:49 PM PST

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    •  Jim - please - keep it up !!!! (0+ / 0-)

      This kind of parsing of words and unreasonable attacks will carry her into the White House.  Please, really - - now, talk about her shape or her wrinkles - - I'm beggin' ya!

      Oprah? Nah, I'm voting however Jerry Springer tells me to.

      by Barry in MIA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:06:33 PM PST

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    •  Did you actually listen ...? (1+ / 0-)
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      To the fucking segment?

      Of course not - why spoil good demonization with lousy fact?

      The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

      by al Fubar on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:11:54 PM PST

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    •  Give me a freaking break. (0+ / 0-)

      This is the kind of biased, hateful vitriol that is starting to show dkos to not be much more than a jerky place for hate mongers.

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