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  •  Has everyone gone nuts? (3+ / 0-)
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    If I've poured my money, time, and soul into starting a company and I hire a worker to put something in a box, how is that person worth every bit is much?

    As long as I pay that worker a fair rate and provide adequate medical coverage, and treat that person with dignity, then anything above that is gravy.

    There has to be incentive to start a company and take risks.

    I was happiest as a heathen.

    by MouseOfSuburbia on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:44:02 AM PST

    •  No we're not nuts, (5+ / 0-)
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      but I assume you do not think you are better than your employee. That is the point. Not that they should have equal payor equity as you, but equal respect.

    •  I think that's what Edwards is talking about: (8+ / 0-)

      "pay that worker a fair rate and provide adequate medical coverage, and treat that person with dignity"
      Msny companies don't do this, and the trend is getting worse for workers, not better.

    •  I think there's a play on word "worth" (6+ / 0-)

      Worth doesn't just mean financial.  You yourself in the same comment delineated the pay-rate definition of "worth" and the dignity definition of "worth".

      I work in a small company which pays me decently enough but which I like because it seems to value my "worth".

      I have worked in other companies which paid comparably but treated me as "worthless".

      See the play?  See the emphasis on value?

      Fellow small business owners and employees are pretty paranoid, because often they forget that politicians are mainly addressing businesses which are thousands of times larger and the power comparison is just silly.

      Owning a small business is absolutely unrelated to being in charge of these corporations which are vaster than most countries.

    •  I agree.... (2+ / 0-)
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      el cid, lpeacock

      with the responses to MouseofSuburbia on what John Edwards means by worth and that no person should have his contribution to the creation of wealth go unregarded nor any person be regarded as being less "worthy" than any other.

      I read MouseofSuburbia's comment to be a reaction, however, to some of the comments upthread on how they intrepret Edward's speech and, if this is case, his reaction is perfectly understandable.

      •  Thank you. I can't stand the leech corporations.. (1+ / 0-)
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        any more than everybody else. The 35-hour a week, part-time employee trick is nothing less than sinful.
        On the other side of the coin, I saw close up and first hand what happened during the UPS strike a decade ago. It was all about control of the pensions and really had nothing to do with better opportunities for the workers. My girlfriend worked for them and they never lied once to her about when she could become a driver, and in fact her pay raises were coming at an accelerated rate from what she was told. She hated going on strike because she knew it burned the company and its customers. It was all about that last clause, control of the pensions.

        I also wanted to poke Scott McNally, of Sun Microsystems, in the eye when he was crying like a little baby during Microsoft's anti-trust litigation. That little weasel had every opportunity to bring forth a competitive product to go against Windows but elected not to. What did he or his company ever do to bring affordable computing to the masses?

        With that said, I refuse to shop at Walmart on principle, even though everyone else is selling the same cheap crap. I just especially hate the way they treat their people, not that they are alone.

        But the granddaddy of all greed, and the model of everything that is wrong with pure capitalism is the way the US government has run the Iraq war. We have all heard the stories, but here is one you may not have heard: my cousin is pretty much in charge of making sure enough of a certain type of missile is available for a certain type of attack helicopter being used in Iraq. He has had to do this under conditions in which he has lost 25% of his people because he didn't have enough money to pay them.

        Kind of ironic that only during war has he had to meet production with lower revenue for a fairly critical war component. The money had dried up because of other things like embassies and graft.

        I was happiest as a heathen.

        by MouseOfSuburbia on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 01:05:08 PM PST

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    •  Go join the Republican Party. (2+ / 0-)
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      He is speaking of the essential dignity of all human beings.  Your comment is rather dumb.  

      FDR would have made you wet your pants.

      "They're going to give their power away when we take their power away." John Edwards

      by TomP on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:53:50 PM PST

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