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  •  Whether they are ill-conceived... (6+ / 0-)

    ... doesn't give license to Hillary to lie about them.

    •  I thought her inference was fair. (1+ / 0-)
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      And, for what it's worth, I think he essentially made those remarks to denigrate Clinton's presidency.

      "Women, if the soul of the nation is to be saved, I believe that you must become its soul." -- Coretta Scott King

      by Joelarama on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:01:15 PM PST

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      •  Here's what Obama said: (0+ / 0-)

        I think it's fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time over the last 10 or 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom.

        He didn't say "better."  But she wasn't twisting his basic point.

        "Women, if the soul of the nation is to be saved, I believe that you must become its soul." -- Coretta Scott King

        by Joelarama on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:03:22 PM PST

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        •  Please. (5+ / 0-)

          Pretending he was making a value judgment about the ideas themselves was her only point.  

          •  I actually do believe he was making a value (0+ / 0-)

            judgment about those ideas.  Rhetorically, he did the same thing when he has said repeatedly that we should not "refight the battles of the 90s." (paraphrase)

            "Women, if the soul of the nation is to be saved, I believe that you must become its soul." -- Coretta Scott King

            by Joelarama on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:10:17 PM PST

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            •  No, he was reflecting that you (3+ / 0-)
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              don't beat something with nothing.  In that sense, the Clintonite triangulation was a lack of ideas, and merely tactics to slow down the tide.  

              Of course, everyone who jumped down Obama's throat is illustrating an idea-free tactic, that accomplishes nthing and stands for nothing, and shows exactly what we should be for Obama and against Hillary.

              [Obama endorser X] is a naive childish Reagan worshipper that has no experience with the right wing attack machine.

              by Inland on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:21:57 PM PST

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              •  I have no desire to jump down Obama's (0+ / 0-)

                throat about this.  But I also do not think Hillary was lying about what he said.  Your explanation requires a lot of . . . explaining . . . to say that he was not making a negative judgment about Democratic ideas for the past decade or so.

                BTW, he was talking about the Democratic Party as a whole, in comparison to the Republican Party as a while, and not just about Clintonian triangulation.  

                "Women, if the soul of the nation is to be saved, I believe that you must become its soul." -- Coretta Scott King

                by Joelarama on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:26:42 PM PST

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                •  Shorter, more true than yours. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Your explanation requires a lot of . . . explaining . . .

                  It's a lot less than explaining how telling the truth about how RR presided over a huge change somehow justifies HRC is saying that Obama said his ideas were "better".

                  I mean, you could make it short: HRC says what she wants.  But that's MY point.

                  [Obama endorser X] is a naive childish Reagan worshipper that has no experience with the right wing attack machine.

                  by Inland on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:30:34 PM PST

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