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  •  Oh come on (6+ / 0-)

    This is rubbish. Goldwater was wrong on the Civil Rights Act, no question. He was RIGHT on a helluva lot of other things that matter even today. He loathed the Christian right. He was pro-gay rights, he was pro-choice. The adult Hillary praised Goldwater in light of his progressive points of view. The 17 year old Hillary was a Goldwater girl in '64 because her parents were Republicans. Hillary grew up as a rich girl in the affluent suburbs of Chicago, and all of her neighbors were Republicans too. She became a Democrat later, in college.

    I say all this as someone who supports Edwards, and not Hillary. There are alot of reasons to oppose Hillary's nomination, but her Goldwater history isn't one of them.

    The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

    by Korkenzieher on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:23:57 PM PST

    •  Uhhh, missing the point me thinks (2+ / 0-)
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      I have Clinton fatigue already

      by hollywood politcaljunkie on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:30:20 PM PST

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      •  No, I'm not (2+ / 0-)

        But just to make sure it's clear, all Obama did was correctly cite Reagan as being an example of an agent of change. Does anyway who doesn't live in an insane asylum think that Obama, because he said this, will govern like Reagan? This whole conversation, the denunciation of Obama for citing an accurate example and the parallel denunciation of Hillary for praising someone with admirable traits is an exercise in absolute folly.

        The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

        by Korkenzieher on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:38:41 PM PST

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    •  That's the point here... (1+ / 0-)
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      I say all this as someone who supports Edwards, and not Hillary. There are alot of reasons to oppose Hillary's nomination, but her Goldwater history isn't one of them.

      The attacks on Obama were stupid - and that's what VirginiaDem is pointing out here...look how STUPID it is to say that one of our candidates is "unfit" because they once said something maybe kind about a Republican.

      The fact that Hillary herself jumped on this bandwagon of bullshit says quite a bit about her candidacy imo.

    •  Revisionism (2+ / 0-)
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      Goldwater was none of those things until well after he retired from the Senate.  Do not take his deathbed conversion to define the whole of his life in public (dis)service.

      He ran on a platform of G-d and morality which has carried through the Republican Party to today.  He refferred to it as "the moral issue."

      "The laws of God, and of nature, have no dateline."

      "...those who elevate the state and downgrade the citizen must see ultimately a world in which earthly power can be substituted for Divine Will, and this Nation was founded upon the rejection of that notion and upon the acceptance of God as the author of freedom."

      Is moral responsibility out of style? Our papers and our newsreels and yes, our own observations, tell us that immorality surrounds us as never before. We as a nation are not far from the kind of moral decay that has brought on the fall of other nations and people.... [The] philosophy of something for nothing, [the] cult of individual and governmental irresponsibility, is an insidious cancer that will destroy us unless we recognize it and root it out now.

      "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. The moral fiber of the American people is beset by rot and decay." He  pledged "every effort to a reconstruction of reverence and moral strength."

      I have the distinction of being called a media whore by Courtney Love. -Maynard J. Keenan

      by arielle on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 03:33:48 PM PST

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      •  Oh man, I can't resist... (0+ / 0-)

        .... where have we heard this before... change a couple of words, and have a guess.

      •  Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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        Here's Barry Goldwater speaking on the floor of the US Senate in 1981

        On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
        I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
        And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."
        Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)

        http://en.wikiquote.org/...

        Thanks for giving me the easiest post to refute I've ever had here in DK.

        The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

        by Korkenzieher on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:30:57 PM PST

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