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  •  H.W. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not trying to be provocative, nor defending him, I'm simply asking for the sake of learning. I was young at the time so I don't know many of the finer points.

    Why was H.W. so bad?

    A satisfactory answer must go further than simple "I  don't agree with this policy," I can handle people having different opinions as long as they're well-founded and well-intentioned.

    I also won't accept bad things that happened that weren't a direct consequence of the sitting president (e.g. the 1991 and 2001 recessions, both caused but the excesses of the previous decade).

    I want actions blatantly detrimental to the nations interest (i.e. Reagan's "starve the beast" deficit spending and selling arms to both sides of the Iran-Iraq war or W.'s consolidation of power and destruction of civil liberties.

    NAFTA's also out because support was common consensus.

    Injustice is a mental disposition which removes equity from the realm of morals- John of Salisbury

    by kafkaesque on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 03:46:18 PM PST

    •  He wasn't terrible (4+ / 0-)

      but he wasn't much good, either. Stick him in the second quintile from the bottom.

      On the plus side, he wasn't overtly corrupt or destructively incompetent. And it's my opinion that the first Iraq War was justifiable (although if we were going to take Baghdad and depose Saddam, that was the time to do it).

      On the minus side, he was an unabashed corporatist who gave away the store with his tax and regulatory policies. But so were Reagan before him and, let's be frank, Clinton after him. And he didn't offer the kind of leadership that would have gotten us out of the recession that began on his watch.

      His existence per se did not make the nation a worse place, the way his brat's does. But it in no way qualifies him for any particular honor.

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 03:50:33 PM PST

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      •  I hope your right (1+ / 0-)
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        because that is about my general impression and placement, mid-pack.

        Injustice is a mental disposition which removes equity from the realm of morals- John of Salisbury

        by kafkaesque on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:00:31 PM PST

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      •  But HW Did Have An UnSavory Connection (1+ / 0-)
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        With the CIA that I never liked. There is much dirt there.

        And, btw, when HW announced at the Detroit Metro Airport that he was giving his delegates to Raygun that summer day in 1980, the sky in Detroit turned to a strange shade of split pea soup and a storm swept through like the end of the world.

        We did not have electricity for a week, thus sparing me coverage of the Republican Convention.

    •  He wasn't bad... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...he was mediocre.

      There are mediocre presidents - HW, Fillmore, Ford, people like that, who don't do any real harm but also don't really do all that much good - and then there are flat-out bad presidents, like Bush II, Nixon, or Buchanan, who hurt the country.

    •  HW just perpetuated Reagan's crap. nt. (2+ / 0-)
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