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  •  And that's the important thing right there. (19+ / 0-)

    The one thing we MUST do is stop this damn internal pissing match and work together--no matter WHO ultimately gets the nomination--to GOTV and get the Silent Majority voting blue.

    Because if Huckabee gets either the presidential or the veep nomination...we could be in for a serious world of hurtin' if we don't.

    •  even worse than the others? (2+ / 0-)
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      cotterperson, dogemperor

      I'll believe you, let's start in on him. But how, they don't care what we say, his folks will like this shit.  

      •  Not with the hardcore supporters. (10+ / 0-)

        One of the reasons I'm trying to get this stuff out is that people can see the truth of what Huckabee is supporting and promoting--and hopefully the Great Undecided Masses will see this, go "ewwwww", and look to see what the Dems have to offer.  (And this is where you guys come in. :D)

        This is also why I worry about a Hillary nomination--as some others have said, a Hillary vs. Huckabee race could be a dream come true for the GOP (or even Hillary vs. Romney with Huckabee as the veep).  We have our work cut out for us.  Best start now.

        •  i see the huckabee fear (1+ / 0-)
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          but not the clinton connection.  She beats all of them in polls, and that's before this stuff has been publicized.  

          •  Wasn't Gore well ahead of bush in the polls? (3+ / 0-)
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            snakelass, dogemperor, Neon Vincent

            I'm sure a lot of folks here had been rooting for bush to get the nomination in 2000, thinking he was highly beatable.

            I can't support that kind of argument being put forth again. The way to win the election is to run a winning campaign, not to hope that the other side runs a losing one.

            I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth. RIP, Molly Ivins. And thanks.

            by Nowhere Man on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 09:24:34 PM PST

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            •  in fact, Gore lagged Bush in the polls (3+ / 0-)
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              snakelass, dogemperor, Nowhere Man

              it was not until 2000 that Gore began to close a sixteen-point gap. And he did, and he won the popular vote and the election. And the Supreme Court stole the presidency from him.

              Bush was a tremendously formidable candidate. As I keep repeating he was a perfect storm--a GOP blue-blood insider with the backing of big business, who ran as a Washington outsider and country bumpkin who could rally the religious right to his side. All these forces lined up for him--and still he had to resort to outright theft to get the presidency.

              •  I accept your correction re the polls (2+ / 0-)
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                dogemperor, limpidglass

                But it shouldn't even have been close. The popular vote should have been such a blowout that the Supreme Court never had a chance to touch the case.

                By "should", of course, I mean that for anyone who was actually thinking about who might be a better president, the choice was a no-brainer. But through  their relentless harping on Gore with trivialities and outright lies, the media stole the election for bush long before the Court did.

                And that's really where my concern lies. No matter who the Republicans nominate, if the pack media all cozy up to the Republican side as they did in 2000, then we're going to be fighting an uphill battle again.

                I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth. RIP, Molly Ivins. And thanks.

                by Nowhere Man on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:35:32 PM PST

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                •  Bill Clinton couldn't keep it in his pants (2+ / 0-)
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                  dogemperor, classykaren27

                  that was another of Gore's problems.

                  It was not for nothing that Bush ran on "restoring honor and dignity to the White House." Clinton's job ratings were great, but people were sick of anything having to do with the Clintons and their personal scandals.

                  The media cozied up to Bush because he was an establishment insider, someone with deep ties to big oil and the military industrial complex. And they resented the fact that Gore was far smarter and accomplished than they ever could hope to be. They had it in for him personally in 2000, in a way that they don't even for Hillary Clinton.

                  I don't think we'll see this extraordinary level of protectiveness for Huckabee or for any of the GOP candidates. Hell, Giuliani's close friends with the head of Fox News, but that didn't stop Fox from covering Sex on the City. Huckabee, who doesn't have those kinds of ties, will be much more vulnerable.

    •  What a load of BULL (2+ / 0-)
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      dogemperor, classykaren27

      NEVER forget what brought you here.
      Think about that.
      WHY did you come here???
      To end the war?
      What happened?
       To help children get proper health care?
      What happened?
       To STOP torture?
      What happened?
       To restore HABEUS CORPUS?
      what happened?
       To STOP the ridiculous war on drugs which is actually the war on PEOPLE?
      what happened?

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