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  •  Hillary DID vote for it. (0+ / 0-)

    And hasn't acknowledged it as a mistake.

    She voted for the use of military force.  In a military conflict, people die.  Any part of that confusing for you?

    Obama did not vote for it, and AT THE TIME announced it was a mistake.  As much as Hillary supporters would love to share the blame for that dreadful lack of judgement, Obama was right.

    Hillary was wrong.

    And people died because of it.

    •  the War Powers act gave Bush/Cheney all (1+ / 0-)
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      the authority they needed to start the war with Iraq  the Congressional vote was a republican campaign trick  any democrat that voted against it was beat up in the 2004 election  ask  Max Cleland

    •  Obama wasn't a senator (0+ / 0-)

      when the vote was held. He was elected in 2004.  He didn't have the opportunity to vote for it.  If he had had the opportunity, he would have had to vote for it, since he would have been up for re-election in 2004.  It would have been political suicide to not vote for it as an Illinois senator.  Just because he said it was wrong, doesn't mean he wouldn't have voted for it...or wouldn't have done what he's done several times recently, vote "present".  (What a wimpy thing to do.)

      So get your Obama facts right before you start trashing Hillary.

      And if Hillary had acknowledged the mistake?  Well, there's an opening for Obama.

      And BTW, I'm neither an Obama nor a Hillary supporter.  What I am is someone who sees that Obama supporters are BLIND and fanatical (at least the ones here), and so I feel it's my moral duty to open their eyes.

      I actually support a Bloomberg candidacy.  He's a Dem in reality.

      None of the candidates are good enough to be fanatical about. They're all politicians

      by TeresaInSammamishWA on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:24:27 AM PST

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      •  Obama DID NOT vote for it. (0+ / 0-)

        So get your Obama facts right before you start trashing Hillary.

        You mean, your invented fantasy-land "In my own head I'm always right" facts?  

        Obama did not vote for the AUMF.  Hillary did.  That's called reality, and although not a pretty place, it is a real good starting place for a discussion of 'facts'.

      •  Edwards' admitting he was wrong... (0+ / 0-)

        ..was not an opening for anyone, really.  He already made the mistake, same as Clinton.  Unfortunately, she hasn't taken the positive step he did of acknowledging it (which does not excuse it), and she clearly hasn't learned from it, since she continues to support Neocon Imperialism by voting for Lieberman/Kyl.  

        Bloomberg is a bigger supporter of the Iraq war than even Clinton, his fascist cops brutally took my city hostage when the GOP had their convention here in 04 and I watched large swaths of kids arrested for no reason and packed into buses and vans and carted off...  Yeah, total Democrat.  Right.

        I have no idea which way Obama would have voted had he been in the Senate during 2003, but I do know what Hilary did and how little she's learned, and it horrifies me that anyone anti-war can get behind her or Bloomberg.

        •  Bloomberg.. (1+ / 0-)
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          ..hasn't been examined by the press yet.

          Remember back when Huckabee was just a friendly, aw-shucks southern Governor?  Before all the evangelical "replace the Bill of Rights with the Ten Commandments" stuff started seeping out?

          Anyway, I don't think Bloomberg gets any traction if the Republicans nominate McCain.  I don't support McCain in any fashion, but I acknowledge his appeal to the independents, and think that Bloomberg was hoping for Huckabee to sneak in and give him a center to monopolize.

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