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  •  It is my understanding (2+ / 0-)
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    CParis, ginnyh532

    from a friend who is in Ithaca is that Hillary worked hard to win over up-Staters.  If that is true -- he'd be crucified.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 01:23:10 PM PST

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    •  Hilary worked upstate early and hard (2+ / 0-)
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      milton333, skohayes

      There's no denying she's got solid political skills, she worked on upstate since she entered the first senate race and really learned the landscape (figuratively and literally) as a deliberate strategy for re-election. Possibly also because she wanted to represent them genuinely, and also because, frankly, I think she's naturally more in tune with upstate conservatism than her ultra-liberal image suggests, at least by nature. Add this to the fact she cut her teeth on Arkansas politics, and the basic issues of rural and small-town NY aren't too far off what they are in Arkansas.

      I'm not sure that entirely makes her invincible in New York, I think McCain will actually give her a bit of a run for her money there, but she'd easily beat anyone else in the field. And that's not to say I think a Clinton loss of NY is very likely in any event.

      What would really hurt Clinton in NY might be the potential Bloomberg candidacy. I think he'd have a decent chance of splitting the "core" Hilary constituency in the city and getting some angry-with-Elliot vote from upstate, and if the Republican candidate laid off, he could even carry the state (and make himself Kingmaker, which is, I think, what he wants in the end out of a candidacy.)

      Call me any ugly name you choose --
      The steel of freedom does not stain.
      -- Langston Hughes

      by TheCrank on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 02:30:58 PM PST

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      •  actually (0+ / 0-)

        I think Eliot is getting off the Upstate voters' shit list after his speech the other week.  Just read his approval rating has risen.

        When Obama had the mo', I thought Hillary had some vulnerability Upstate; she is accepted, but not beloved here.  However, if there is an economic downturn, I think she's got it in the bag.  Upstate voters and voters nationally, I think, will go for the safe choice.  Which is why McCain will also get the GOP nom in the end.

        We ARE voting for a Hoover, of course, but that's beside the point right now.

        •  except Hoover was a Quaker (0+ / 0-)

          And McCain hasn't seen an intervention he doesn't like...

          Call me any ugly name you choose --
          The steel of freedom does not stain.
          -- Langston Hughes

          by TheCrank on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 02:42:43 PM PST

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