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    Rabonista

    And Clinton's and Edwards plans will not cover about 10 million without a dacronian and expensive enforcement mechanism (which neither of them have) not to mention the 12 million undocumented.

    So get over it.  They ALL leave out 22-27 million people.

    Clinton and Edwards are masquerading as "universal" but it is a lie.  They have no way to monitor or enforce their mandate (leaving out 15-20% of the uninsured) and do not cover the 12 million undocumented.

    Clinton/Edwards claim of universality is the BIGGEST FAIRY TALE of all!!!

    Health care is a human right.

    by Helenann on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 09:35:43 AM PST

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    •  Helenann. (0+ / 0-)

      You said it yourself. They dont all leave out 22-27 million people. Clinton / Edwards leaves out 22 and Obama leaves out 27. You said it yourself. I have nothing else to say as long as we are clear on that point.

      Obama talks about liberal revenge plots hatched in the sixties like they are a bad thing.

      by Rabonista on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 09:45:24 AM PST

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        but 5 million people out of 303 million is rounding error.

        No one knows what the number is. And if you put confidence intervals around these estimates they would overlap.

        Plus or minus 5 million, when we are talking about 303 million is a relatively small problem to solve compared to the 47 million uninsured plus 16 million underinsured we have now.

        If we can solve 95% of this problem in the next four years, kudos to us.

        Of course we want everyone covered.  But unless we throw them into jail, where they do have a right to health care, you are just not going to get there,

        We would like everyone to have a job, but 5-6% don't.

        We would like everyone to have a living wage. But 10-12% don't.

        We would like every child to finish high school, but millions don't.

        We would like everyone to have a home, but millions don't.

        No policy works for 100% of the people, and to think it can is foolish.  There is not a single public program in this country that works for 100% of Americans.

        This does not mean that we don't continue to try.  And try to find out why what we are doing isn't working.  Bt I don't believe in forcing adults to do anything that concerns themselves.

        This is a free country.  I believe that as long as we have done everything we can to make resources available to everyone, to make them affordable, and make them desirable, that in the end it is up to each individual to take advantage of the opportunities they are offered.

        Of course there are huge inequities.  And I think we want to be sensitive to them and move toward equality as quickly as we can.

        But I do believe that Government should be there to help people, not to punish them when their needs are not being met.

        Health care is a human right.

        by Helenann on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 11:54:46 AM PST

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    •  Btw. (0+ / 0-)

      I recc'd your comments. I appreciate the discussion.

      Obama talks about liberal revenge plots hatched in the sixties like they are a bad thing.

      by Rabonista on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 09:54:48 AM PST

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