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  •  If McCain (8+ / 0-)

    ... is the Republican nominee, I still think it will be a very close election -- no matter who's our nominee.

    A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. America for Gore

    by JekyllnHyde on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:28:09 PM PST

    •  You (2+ / 0-)
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      would be correct.

      I choose the politics of ideas, not the politics of identity.

      by jre2k8 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:29:27 PM PST

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    •  Yep. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      "Don't worry boys, we'll weather this storm of approval and come out as hated as ever."--Saul Alinksy

      by Rob Cole on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:35:23 PM PST

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    •  Health and circumstances hang over McCain (8+ / 0-)

      McCain is tied to the hip with Iraq.  It's a long time to November.  
      McCain is keeping a pace that most 72 year olds could not maintain.  He has yet to face the full scrutiny of being the front runner, and he always has the potential to do something spontaneously foolish.  

      I get that ever tightening guitar string feeling about McCain. I don't think he can avoid a major slip before the election.

      It cats could blog, they wouldn't.

      by crystal eyes on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:49:30 PM PST

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    •  maybe he'll work a deal (1+ / 0-)
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      to get flown to an aircraft carrier.  that'd help his chances.  even I like a good staged photo-op.

      Tired of the lies? That makes 60% of us!

      by Bill O Rights on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:57:20 PM PST

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    •  right. here is a guy who is a huge war (5+ / 0-)

      hawk and admits he does not know much about economics. Hillary would eat him for lunch

    •  I think she'll kick his ass (2+ / 0-)
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      •  She can motivate her opponents.... (2+ / 0-)
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        I'll support any Democratic candidate in the general election, but my concern about Hillary Clinton is her ability to inspire those who hate her.  Republican voters may not have much to campaign FOR this year, given their sad slate of candidates, but running against their "devil incarnate," HRC, would give them something to campaign AGAINST.  This would give the broader Republican base a reason to get excited and come out and vote.  Don't underestimate their ability to use this.

        Would it be enough to cause Dems to lose the White House?  Maybe not, but I certainly fear it will hurt Dems down-ticket.  This could hurt a Democratic president's chances to undo the damage of the last 8 years, let alone push forward any type of progressive change.

        •  Except (0+ / 0-)

          Democrats HATED Bush and look where it got us in '04...

          I may be misunderstanding what you are communicating, but I don't think Republicans are going to vote for the Dem...no matter who it is.  It's the middle that the riddle...who gets them??

          •  A couple of things about that... (0+ / 0-)
            Yes, Dems hated Bush, but Repubs put issues like gay marriage and stem cell research on the ballot in a number of states and that arguably mobilized the base that may not have turned out for Bush alone.  I'm afraid that Clinton on the ticket could be the '08 version of those issues.

            And no, I don't think many Repubs will be voting for a Dem, but more of the everyday registered folk vote when they feel threatened--the fear card, again (the Repub operatives have honed it well).  

            As for the indies, I frankly don't know where they'd fall on an HRC candidacy, but consider that most people either love or hate Hillary.  Do you think there are many independents who love her?  Where does that leave us?  I still maintain, too, that McCain will be harder to beat than people give him credit for right now; it won't be a cake walk.

            Whether or not a Clinton nomination loses us the presidency, I don't know, but I do feel certain it's going to hurt candidates further down the ticket when more Republicans are motivated to go the extra mile to get out the vote.

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