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  •  And besides that, there's the super-delegates (12+ / 0-)

    KO did a piece last night about Dem super-delegates. Per his presentation (as I remember it), super-delegates are Senators, Congressfolks, governors, state party chairs-- in other words, party bigwigs and establishment insiders. They make up about 20% of total delegates.

    What's the point? If Edwards has much support among super-delegates, that would come as a surprise to me. So even if he somehow rallies to win a plurality of elected delegates, there's still a 20% barrier of party insiders to overcome.

    However, this does not diminish my support for JRE in the slightest. He's still the one who's doing the best job of articulating progressive values, and that's what I care about. He's shifting the ground of the entire political discussion.

    •  I saw that piece, too, and had a similar reaction (10+ / 0-)

      I'm not wonkish enough that I really understood delegates and super-delegates before this primary cycle. And I didn't really get the whole super-delegates thing until Schuster's piece on Olbermann. Watching it, I felt like screaming, "Then what the fuck is the point of the primary season at all?" because the super-delegates can undo everything that primary voters do in the months leading up to the convention. And, you know, Bill Clinton is a superdelegate, and don't for a minute think he wouldn't spoil whatever vote New York voters cast if it they didn't vote for Hillary.

      It just seems crooked and twisted and anti-democratic, and I'm all the more frustrated because AGAIN, Edwards will get short shrift, with Kerry endorsing Obama, and Feingold speaking out (twice!) against Edwards. Edwards won't get any super-delegates, will he? And the super-delegates can just... undo anything that gets done for Edwards in the primaries.

      I'm 35 and old enough, by now, to realize that very little about life is fair, but still, it makes me want to cry about the unfairness of the deal Edwards has consistently gotten this cycle.

    •  They're politicians. (7+ / 0-)

      They sure as hell are not supporting people because of the issues they believe in.

      Edwards is the best hope of beating McCain here in Ohio, so if there is a prospect we will be facing McCain, that will keep a certain number of superdelegates on the fence ... and in any event, superdelegate counts are just so much hot air, giving the Mass Media something to talk about without doing real journalism, and therefore sure to get covered.

      One blunder at the wrong time and the word will be, "well, I'll support you on the first ballot ... but ..."

    •  But KO's piece also noted they're not locked in (6+ / 0-)

      Never mind who they pledge to in advance, the superdelegates are under no obligation to vote for the person to whom they gave the commitment. In other words, the party establishment characters can switch to back the "right horse," and avoid being on the losing side. JRE's talk of being the only one who can beat McCain in the general election - an accurate perception, I believe - means he can still get them.

      Bush is a slithy tove!

      by blonde moment on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 12:43:56 PM PST

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      •  Not locked in (0+ / 0-)

        That's a good point, though I suppose one could speculate as to what it is they are not locked into. For example, they might not be locked into a Democratic win under some conditions-- they might prefer to retain the current Dem establishment structure, and their place within it, rather than allow a radical change agent such as JRE to become president.

        •  They are not monolithic in that respect ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... but if someone somehow manages to stitch together a working majority amongst the dedicated delegates, it is only necessary to divide and conquer the super-delegates to translate that into a roughly even split and a majority on the floor.

          After all, much of Senator Clinton's "endorsement" support came during a period when the CW was that she would have a bit of a tussle and then nail it down on Super Tuesday ... so it was a bid to be on the winning side. Bandwagon jumpers have a tendency to jump off again if the bandwagon starts to feel like its sliding backwards.

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