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  •  I've been called a conspiracy theorist (33+ / 0-)

    by wingnuts when I told them about PNAC. I'd even tell them to go to the f*cking website and read the pdf, but of course they wouldn't.

    Convinced me that there's no cure for stupid.

    •  Me too! (19+ / 0-)

      It's not just wingnuts, either. Otherwise reasonable people look at me like that. Even Democrats, liberals, progressives - have never heard of the PNAC, much less know the history. Or WHO these people are and how much power they have had - and still have. When I bring this up, I get that look that I know appears on my face in the presence of the LIHOP and MIHOP folks.

      What I'd give for this excellent piece to be on the front page of every paper in this country. Damn you FP's! :-)  - can't rec your diaries. I wish at least it could stay at the top of the rec list for a couple of days, instead of scrolling down the FP.

      I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution. - Barbara Jordan

      by Janet Strange on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:11:31 PM PST

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      •  Or at least (4+ / 0-)

        if dKos could have FP articles bave a "printable form" option so we could print them out for easy reading (and delivery to those who refuse to use the internet).

        •  I just printed it. (2+ / 0-)
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          I first printed it, and the ads blocked out a lot of the text.  So, I went to my subscribe tab at my page, went to my paypal account, subtracted $4 from my checking account, then printed it again.  No ads blocking the text.  Ready to hand out to anyone I please.  I know, four dollars sounds like a lot to print an article, but you can print diaries, easy to read, for a month, for that four dollars.

      •  Janet, I remember when I 1st read it............ (7+ / 0-)

        I went into a 2 week depressed funk. It was hard to imagine a whole collection of otherwise smart people giving themselves over to such Anti-Americanism, and calling it anything but corrupt.

        Just for starters....... the Revolutionary War was fought to get rid of that eras Globalism/East India Company and the Imperial rule/King George III. And make sure all were administered to, under rule of law that was administered equally/without fear or favor.

        PNACers/Friedman addicts turn the values of American ideals on its head and farts Christmas carrolls out its behind.

        It is the same ole 'might is right' power shift to the wealthy corrupt ideology that plagues mankind's lower natures. And anyone claiming to follow this 'I got mine,screw you' ideology, and also tries to claim Christianity, needs a few less holes in their head.    

        •  To get rid of it??? (1+ / 0-)
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          the Revolutionary War was fought to get rid of that eras Globalism/East India Company and the Imperial rule/King George III. And make sure all were administered to, under rule of law that was administered equally/without fear or favor.

          or to open up the rather closed coffers and spread some of that globalism's wealth and power into other classes?  More like a reform of globalism rather than a revolution to get rid of it.  They weren't saying "don't create empire" they the empire rather than the giving end??  You know, all my life this is what i've heard, and still, I'm never sure about this.  

          Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

          by a gilas girl on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:20:26 PM PST

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          •  I have been reading (0+ / 0-)

            Oceana, by Harrington.  It was written hundreds of years ago, but it really gets down to basics.  It says there should be only one party, a democratic party.  There should not be a party of the wealthy, set up to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.  That ruins a country, he says.  He says wealthy people owning vast amounts of profit- generating land ruins a country.  He seems to say extreme wealth should be prohibited, or the wealthy will ruin the country.

      •  See, this the problem: (0+ / 0-)

        Lazy, gullible Americans (BOTH Republicans and Democrats) that actually allow their view of reality to be defined by the corporate media, such that if something is not on TV or covered by a major newspaper, or even covered by NPR, it doesn't exist.

        They continue to allow themselves to be lied to and misled by the corporate media establishment and the view of reality if shoves down our throats--which is largely propagandistic on behalf of the powers-that-be and their agendas.

        We have an internet today where alternative information and more of the truth (I didn't say "all of the truth" but "MORE of the truth") is available to them, and yet, for whatever reason, they don't avail themselves of it in large enough numbers to make a difference in the direction of this country.

        As for PNAC, the only time I've ever seen it discussed was when Colbert had Kristol on his show, and Colbert, half-jokingly, said, "You're a founder of the Project for a New American Centurty, aren't you?

        Kristol was taken aback by this question.  But before he could muster up a response, Colbert hit him with the joke line, "So just HOW is that new American century going?"  

        Kristol was flummoxed and considerably perturbed and surprised that any corporate media source--including Colbert--would break the unwritten rule of the media and actually shine its light on PNAC.  His discomfort at having this subject brought even up showed.

        It was a beautiful moment.

        As I say in another comment downthread, the American is largely a CONTROLLED media.  We have no free and independent media in this country . . . or at least not much of one.

    •  Not just wingnuts. (6+ / 0-)
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      I've had some of my most tinfoil-y lefty friends look askance at me when I first brought them up some years back. They were all "O RLY?" and I was all "YA RLY".  They, however, would actually go and read the site. Therein lies the difference 'twixt the left and the right, I suppose.

      That was, of course, many moons ago and much water under the bridge. Said friends' old theories that would have been scoffed at in the last century don't seem so wild today.

      I want my damned country back.

      The lone and level sands stretch far away. -Shelley

      by justme on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:38:29 PM PST

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    •  I try to talk about it when (3+ / 0-)
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      my computer's handy, either in my home or carrying my laptop.  If anyone doubts - and they usually believe me at least part-way, since I have a good record of clarifying national weirdness and predicting really bad events - I just open my PNAC folder and ask them if I may send PNAC's thesis in PDF so that they can be filled in.

      It's a better tactic than explaining how alarming it all really is.  As my friend who still knows a lot of regular folk says, people really don't want to know the truth about their country.  So they just convince themselves we are alarmists.

      Better to break bad news really calmly....

      Everyone is talking about crime... Tell me who are the criminals. - "Equal Rights," Peter Tosh

      by Nastja Polisci on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:45:36 PM PST

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    •  Or cure for deviousness... (0+ / 0-)

      The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

      by Bobjack23 on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 06:33:27 AM PST

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