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  •  If you had a military clearance (2+ / 0-)
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    That doesn't say much. There are a lot of different types of military clearance. Presumably you're trying to lead us to a conclusion that you were some Top Secret spook guy who Knows Things nobody else can see.

    You are either paranoid, misguided, deeply uninformed or insane. Whatever, your post is good for a few LULz at best.

    THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. -- L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

    by xenubarb on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 10:38:22 AM PST

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    •  Not interested. (0+ / 0-)

      You're a troll.

      Anyone who fails to see the historical parallels between Blackwater & the Nazi SS, or the DHS & the Gestapo, needs a serious reality check.

      by Randgrithr on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 11:21:14 AM PST

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      •  I've been a USENET Flame Warrior since 1992... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...and I know a troll when I see one.  FWIW, a lot of the posters identified here as "trolls" aren't really trolls at all; they're mission posters.  A good USENET troll is interested in trouble and attention seeking for its own sake.  Like Anonymous usually is, they're in it for the LULZ.  Mission posters, on the other hand, aren't in it for the LULZ.  They have a cause, and they post to further that cause (BTW, that makes all of us on Daily Kos mission posters; it just happens that our mission conforms with that of the community, so it builds it up instead of disrupting it--context matters).  Concern trolls and purity trolls aren't here to disrupt for LULZ alone; they're here to disrupt another group's cause and/or promote their own cause at the expense of the group.  The most extreme are like the Blues Brothers, who are "on a mission from God."  Those people are insufferable in the wrong context.

        Back to Xenubarb.  She isn't contradicting you for the LULZ or to disrupt the forum.  She is also neither a concern troll nor, as far as I can tell, a purity troll.  As one can see from her handle and profile, Xenubarb is an anti-Scientology mission poster.  Therefore, calling her a troll would be inappropriate.  Calling her biased would be.  Anything bad for Scientology will further her cause, so she might not object to some script kiddies breaking some eggs to make an omelette she'd enjoy.  As someone who shares her bias, I can understand.

        As for Anonymous, they're a bunch of trolls, hackers, and pirates who have decided to go on a mission.  However, it might just be the troll (attention-seeking deception) of the year.  I give out awards for that--merit awards.

        "Iraq: the bravest 1% fighting for the richest 1%." ~ An Unknown Kossack.

        by Neon Vincent on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 01:07:55 PM PST

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        •  It's like this, Neon (1+ / 0-)
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          People who only bring ad hominems and pointless illogic to a discussion are trolls. I was willing to let the excessive emotional ranting slide, but Xenubarb's insults did not go away despite a polite request, and I treated that accordingly.

          The other trolls here are clearly just the usual mentally ill stalkers, netkopps and pompous hypocrites. It is not completely an outside possibility that some are even members of Anonymous, whose asses are still smarting from - either knowingly or unconsciously - having obviously been owned by the gubmint in this regard.

          It's also typical of them to try and shoot the messenger, not that I really care. I'm still laughing too hard. It really couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of guys.

          Anyone who fails to see the historical parallels between Blackwater & the Nazi SS, or the DHS & the Gestapo, needs a serious reality check.

          by Randgrithr on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 01:20:37 PM PST

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          •  You just earned your mojo from me today. (1+ / 0-)
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            Good response.

            "Iraq: the bravest 1% fighting for the richest 1%." ~ An Unknown Kossack.

            by Neon Vincent on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 01:32:17 PM PST

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          •  Um. (4+ / 0-)

            There was more "proof" presented in relation to the charge that there were WMD in Iraq than you've presented here.

            You've put down nothing to address, but you do need to check your facts; the FBI is, in fact investigating.

            I know that an investigation does not necessarily mean conviction(s), but it does put a hole in your major factual point, to wit:

            But what bothered me about this situation is that you have this group of hackers, et. al. rattling a serious sabre in the cult's direction, and the Department of Hopeless Insecurity isn't the least bit concerned.

            As to the gubmint being worried about a film of someone taking down a dictator... isn't taking down a dictator what Bush has been puffing his chest about for years?  So, that charge doesn't hold water either, since it would be rather strange to take down an authoritarian dictator, support the overthrow of someone else you're calling a dictator "Chavez" and then freak out over someone making a movie about trying to kill a dictator.

            Also, try this on for size: When they wanted to take John Kerry's religious credentials down a peg, did they go after the Catholic Church?  No, they co-opted it against Kerry through the lobbying of the  more conservative bishops.

            Lastly, contrary to the media reports (which you shouldn't trust anyway), Anonymous is not a group of hackers; it's a self-identified group of people who are Internet users of widely varying backgrounds, skills, and interests.  Say it with me: there is no "hacker group" called Anonymous.

            Be careful of sucking in garbage from the media just because the narrative you've put together in your head gives you the feeling of "ah-hah!"  That feeling, without years of intense, deliberate exposure to information and participation in its associated processes, is about as reliable as Chertoff's gut.

            "Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid." --Basil King

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            by Stealthbadger on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 02:47:33 PM PST

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