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  •  It will be interesting to see how outside we are (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, aimeeinkc, jabbausaf

    as a community, come Feb 5th.

    If forced to choose between Obama and Clinton, I would take Obama, but only because he cannot move the levers of power as well as Clinton.

    At this point, part of me would like to see the Presidency abolished entirely. Too much power in the hands of one individual has led us into hell too often.

    "If you want to go quickly, go alone.
    If you want to go far, go together.
    We have to go far, quickly."

    by shpilk on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:01:47 AM PST

    •  Seriously It Needs to Be Cut Down Several Ways: (3+ / 0-)
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      Fast Pete, aimeeinkc, sherlyle

      The framers wisely understood that the power to raise armies and declare war must be kept away from the executive who is c-i-c.

      Tragically they did not separate enough of the power to investigate and prosecute from him, or otherwise invest enough in the legislature.

      The result is that he has the ability to decline to enforce against himself.

      Some other aspects of the Unitary executive are indeed built into the Constitution as the other branches have no way to force the executive from violating separation of powers.

      I see probably two amendments as the only possible remedy for these vulnerabilities. I think that the model of separation of war powers would give us a starting point reasonably consistent with other logic of the framers.

      Beyond that, Constitutional law is not my expertise, but I know an incomplete or broken system when I see one.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:08:21 AM PST

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      •  I have to disagree (0+ / 0-)

        the Constitution is fine. The problem is that a couple of nutcases in the Bush administration decided to ignore the plain meanings of ordinary words in the Constitution, and claimed that one branch of three co-equal branches of government was actually more co-equal than the other two. Maybe they just read Animal Farm, who knows?

        The second problem, of course, is a Congress that rolls over and plays dead. The third problem is a judiciary packed with Federalist Society appointees. The final, and perhaps most damaging problem, is an electorate that is still entranced watching American Idol reruns.

      •  Prime Minister systems beat President systems (1+ / 0-)
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        ... hands-down, in my own experience of a lot of governments with UN development. Bush might have been off the island years ago.

        Problem was, of course, that just how much more stable and responsive prime minister systems are emerged only 100 years after the constitution.

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