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  •  Damages (2+ / 0-)
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    cybersaur, cwaltz

    The potential Civil Liability for past surveillance runs around a Trillion dollars. The Govt can pay out, $10,000 per phone customer, and call it "stimulus."

    Don't blame me, I'm voting for Gravel.

    by ben masel on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 07:47:37 PM PST

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    •  Here's your rebate/restitution (1+ / 0-)
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      Mad Kossack

      for that pesky illegal domestic spying we've been doing.

      You know I'd like the creepy telcos to have to pay for their spying but I am far more interested in hearing how far the government exceeeded its authority. This administration's misdeeds need to be exposed to the light of day and I really don't care how they are exposed at this point. As long as they can substitute government for telcos I don't see how we get there. Bush and the admin will stonewall and run out the clock.

      •  The Telcos can't pay all they owe. (0+ / 0-)

        ATT's total market capitalization is less than $300 billion.

        I'm no expert on bankruptcy, I think they'd continue to operate, but plaintiffs would own all the shares. Too bad for stockholders, but they should have performed proper oversight.

        Don't blame me, I'm voting for Gravel.

        by ben masel on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 07:58:08 PM PST

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        •  It just seems that (3+ / 0-)
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          if you allow the government to step in for telcos then the citizens will never learn what crimes have been committed against them. As a citizen I think I should have a right to know if my tax dollars were used to spy on me without just cause. I don't feel bad for the the telcos at all if they get stuck with the cost of civil suits. I daresay I could purchase a lobbyist to get me immunity that allowed me to keep taxpayer money that was used to commit a crime.

          •  Agreed, this is a necessary action to secure (2+ / 0-)
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            civil liberties. There has to be a way to ensure that telco's act legally and not circumvent the rights of the people in favor of aggressive government and company incentives.

            It's not just about who will take responsibility after the fact, it's about holding companies accountable for their actions in knowingly breaking laws and refusing to pursue the necessary judicial interference before a rogue government compromises them, and they in turn, the citizenry they serve.

            We, the people, have to have this ability to sue the telco's in order to ensure this type of complicity never occurs again. The best way to ensure this is to clearly make the repercussions of their illegal actions 3x more severe than any incentives they might hope to gain.

            My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star. -Grandpa Simpson

            by xobehtedistuo on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:15:51 AM PST

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        •  Telco liability (1+ / 0-)
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          I'd like to see AT&T lose all their civil suits and have their assets forcibly liquidated for participating in this criminal activity.
          AT&T has a history of being evil. They need to go away permanently.

          Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.

          by cybersaur on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:30:40 AM PST

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