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  •  i don't see what was inexcusable in the clip (7+ / 0-)

    you posted.

    is there something the reverend said with which you disagree? i mean, jesus wasn't a black man, but the rev is entitled to his incorrect opinion on that.

    I am further of the opinion that the President must be impeached and removed from office!

    by UntimelyRippd on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:54:52 AM PDT

    •  sounded like a metaphor. (3+ / 0-)

      "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

      by Salo on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:55:57 AM PDT

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      •  Jesus was in an underprivileged class (5+ / 0-)

        in a society dominated by whites.

        Jesus loved people who were prejudiced against him.

        What is the problem here?

        We shall overcome, someday. Yes we can.

        by Sam Wise Gingy on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:59:34 AM PDT

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        •  Was he? (2+ / 0-)
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          Judea was colonized...by Persians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Syrians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Crusaders, Turks and for a Bit the British. At various times the areas has been colonized from Empires originating from Africa, Asia and Europe (we even have the record of the Jewish conquest of the area from the Canaanites).Sometimes you're UP and sometimes Youre DOWN.

          It's hard to classify that as a black and white issue.

          "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

          by Salo on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:07:39 PM PDT

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      •  might have been a metaphor, but there is a (0+ / 0-)

        school of "thought" that asserts african race for various historical figures (like cleopatra) based on nothing but wishful thinking. and the rev sounds like he's well-steeped in that school of thought.

        not a big deal for me, one way or the other. if you believe jesus christ was the fricking son of god, it's intellectually infantile to speculate as to his race, which would have been whatever his father wanted it to be. if you believe jesus christ was NOT the son of god, it hardly matters what race he was.

        I am further of the opinion that the President must be impeached and removed from office!

        by UntimelyRippd on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:11:31 PM PDT

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    •  Jesus not a black man? (1+ / 0-)
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      Is that from your personal relationship, or just those pictures hanging in the church hall?

      •  it's from my understanding of the historical (1+ / 0-)
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        ethnographic patterns of the region in which jesus lived.

        unless the good reverend can offer any actual evidence to the contrary -- which he can't -- it's reasonable to assume that jesus was of the same race as the other people who inhabit that particular part of the world. he was no more likely to be a "black" man, than he was to be an "asian" man.

        I am further of the opinion that the President must be impeached and removed from office!

        by UntimelyRippd on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:06:58 PM PDT

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    •  it was the "god damn america" that I disagreed (3+ / 0-)
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      with. THat's why it's incendiary.

      What's madness but nobility of the soul at odds with circumstance?

      by slinkerwink on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:03:44 PM PDT

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      •  Cue up quoting the Bible to make the point. (1+ / 0-)
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        Wikipedia entries...

        Amos:

        Amos was called from his rural home to remind the rich and powerful of God's requirement for justice (e.g. 2:6-16). He claimed that religion that is not accompanied by right action is anathema to God (5:21ff.), and prophesied that the kingdom of Israel would be destroyed (e.g. 5:1-2; 8:2).

        Isaiah:

        In the first 39 chapters, Isaiah prophesies doom for a sinful Judah and for all the nations of the world that oppose God. The last 27 chapters, called "The Book of Comfort," prophesy the restoration of the nation under a divine king.

        Jeremiah (oh, as in Wright!):

        Jeremiah repeatedly issued prophecies predicting God's forthcoming judgment; advocating the Jews put down their idols and repent in hopes of turning away God's judgment and fulfilling their destiny as his chosen people. Jeremiah's fellow Jews refused to heed his warnings, did not repent and due the failure of his efforts, he witnessed the destruction of everything he knew, the exile of the Jewish elite to Babylonia, and the fleeing of the remainder to Egypt.

        Hosea:

        ... twin themes of Israel's sin and the coming retribution. Although God loves Israel, Israel has not returned His love. This has been shown by the continued idolatry and acts of violence, oppression, and sexual sin among the people. Because Israel has not returned God's love, He will put them away from Him, just as Hosea did his wife, and send them into exile.

        Etc., etc., etc.

        "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

        by ogre on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:24:40 PM PDT

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