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    ogre, Eternal Hope, wader, esquimaux, VA Breeze

    This has nothing to do with Wright's being in the United Church of Christ. He gives sermons like these, in part, because he is being honest about how being black in America is experienced by the people of a specific congregation (in a specific neighborhood of a specific city, etc.). You could go to most UCC churches and never hear sermons like Wright's.

    In short, it's not that they're not investigating Clinton's pastor because Clinton is a Methodist... they're curious to look (I think, at least in part) at a predominantly black church that takes the issue of race in American very seriously.

    That said, I've met Pastor Wright several times... he's a nice guy who does, yes, say hard stuff.

    •  The congregations would normally snooze. (0+ / 0-)


      "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

      by Salo on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:11:40 PM PDT

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    •  How many racists (1+ / 0-)
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      do you consider "nice guys?"  Look, Obama supporters can try spinning this every way to Sunday, but calling white Americans KKKers is not going to go over well with the average middle-class voter.  Not when BO has called this man his spiritual advisor and has been listening to these racist diatribes for 20 years.  

      If I ever heard a minister spewing this kind of stuff about blacks I would not walk, but run out of that minister's church.  I expect most everyone else here would, too.  So why are you defending Obama's close relationship with this man?

      Most scientists believe human brains aren't fully formed until the early 20s. -AMA

      by miriam on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 03:51:11 PM PDT

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      •  Y'see, this is the thing... (0+ / 0-)

        Referring to America as Amerikkka was around well before Jeremiah Wright. Talking about the USKKKA (or whatever the specifics were) is a riff on this. It's not an unknown phenomenon.

        The point is that this isn't about specific white Americans, nor is it about white people as individuals in general. It is about the black experience in an America that has spent centuries oppressing African Americans through various institutions, including, but not limited to, slavery, Jim Crow, school funding plans that disfavor black areas, and a prison-industrial system that routinely imprisons more black Americans that white (and, indeed, sentencing standards that treat crimes more likely to be committed by the poor more harshly than those committed by the rich).

        The larger point is that this is all part of a rhetoric  or Black Theology that is not so much concerned with the color of a person's skin as it is with the social status of a person, ie: the poor and discriminated against are counted as Black and the well-off and powerful are counted as white. The language of racism is used largely to portray injustice to a community whose experience of injustice is largely composed of the experience of racism.

        I am not African-American and yes, I often find this use of rhetoric infuriating as I think it obscures important issues. I am also not Barack Obama and am not in a position to defend his relationship with anyone. My only point is that this is a black pastor in a black church using the rhetorical dialect of black experience from a certain strand of black theology, and, dammit, context is important.

        That said, there are white members of Trinity United Church of Christ. I have sat in classes taught by Pastor Wright and he has never even implied that I (or any other white student) is racist. He has attended predominantly white events and not cast dispersions.

        Is he pissed off about the injustices perpetrated against black people? Yes. Does he have the right to be? Hell, yes. Does he treat most white people, as individuals, as personal enemies of either himself or the black community? Not that I'm aware of.

        Of course, one might not glean that from a few minutes of sermons taken from (let's see, we can assume sermons of at least an hour, most weeks of the year, twenty years) over a thousand hours of sermons. Oh, plus all of the other ministries that occur in that church.

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