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  •   I understand what you are saying but, (3+ / 0-)
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    I've been living in a state that seems to be your preference if perfection isn't attainable. I don't know where you live but my guess is that it is a liberal bastion where the consequence of you're ideas will never be realized.

    FDR is dead. JFK is dead. Edwards is out and so is Kucinich. We are left with the choices available to us at this time. Sure Nader can take some money from Republicans and help get McCain elected but aside from that we are out of options. Obama wants to tie minimum wage to inflation. That is the most progressive idea proposed by any candidate that I have ever had an opportunity to vote for as president. Obama makes it quite clear that we will all have to sacrifice to build a better world. I've experienced what Clinton will do. more or less. I dread what McCain will do. I'm very willing to try for something different.

    I understand you're frustration. But politics is the art of the possible. Edwards and Kucinich just didn't get enough votes. In a better world they would. I for one would be much happier living in a state with a two party government than Republican rule. When I lived in a town with an overwhelming population of highly progressive people I was able to dream greater dreams. As it is, I'd be very happy if Larry Grant took Bill Sali's seat in congress. I think Obama can make that happen.

    •  Thanks for your thoughtful comment (1+ / 0-)
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      I remember Obama gave a few good speecheslast year...

      Let's finally make the minimum wage a living wage. Let's tie it to the cost of living so we don't have to wait another 10 years to see it rise. Let's put the jobless back to work in transitional jobs that can give them a paycheck and a sense of pride. Let's help our workers advance with job training and lifelong education. Let's invest in infrastructure, broadband lines, and rural communities and in inner cities. Let's give jobs to ex-offenders--because we believe in giving a second chance to people. And let's finally allow our unions to do what they do best and lift up the middle class in this country once more.

      These plans sort of disappeared from his platform, and all of it would cost real money that cannot be borrowed or accomodated under existing revenues.

      I don't see how Obama can run on a tax-relief platform and yet keep big promises about infrastructure repair and jobs programs, while he keeps the war in Iraq going for at least another 16 months after inauguration.

      It all sounds like hot air and ambition to me, but I could be wrong, and it's possible that Obama is just playing the only game in town to get elected, and he may yet do some real good once he walks into the Oval Office.

      Kill me before I have to think again!

      by Jacob Freeze on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:18:02 PM PST

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      •  He made all of those suggestions (2+ / 0-)
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        when I saw him in Boise. He'll need to get them through congress but, I think that he is persuasive enough to do at least most of it.

        His plan is to allow Bushes tax cuts to expire. He wants to renegotiate the price of pills with big pharma. I too wonder how he'll pay for it all. But given the likelihood that not everything will pass congress, it may work out about right.

        I've heard nothing about a plan to keep us in Iraq for the next 18 months. He wants to draw down in a responsible manner but he said that it's time to let Iraq handle it's own affairs. How this will play out is an open question, but just getting the equipment out is going to take time.

        I remember when JFK was killed. I'm no Polly Anna and can usually tell when someone is blowing smoke up my ass. I carry a huge BS detector around when I'm in the company of politicians. That said I have to say that I think Obama is the real deal. Nothing in his history that I've been able to find makes me think otherwise. I hope we get the chance to find out.

      •  Jacob, please read this one paper (2+ / 0-)
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        Urban Poverty.

        Obama has said he is not so worried about balancing the budget at first because we have to rebuild infrastructure, and quickly get to work on education, energy (replace oil with alternatives)and environment, and getting healthcare to all, NOW.

        He has papers on everything. Go to his site's issues page and read the summaries. Click on any that interest you. THEN go to the bottom and you will find detailed plan, like the one on urban poverty that show clarity in analysis and sensible concrete proposals. You will also find speeches on each, and you can see that in each case (that i've read) he has told the people to whom he was speaking some possibly unpalatable truths. He does not pander.

        Please read something. He would sound like a college professor if he started detailing some of his plans to an audience. They don't fit into a stump speech. Any way, in a general audience, many have different issues that they want to hear -- not someone else's pet issue.


        Clinton has passed NO law except pork for NY while Obama has long list of laws: see Effectiveness counts.

        by samddobermann on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:11:12 PM PST

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    •  i don't think Grant's gonna need any coattails... (2+ / 0-)
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      Serephin, crystalboy

      this year.... he almost capped Sali in 2006 - Idaho 1 couldn't be called until close to midnight local time...

      and Sali's done his best to be, well, Sali, grant is in a great position....

      regardless who the Dem presidential candidate is, Grant will not only be able to capitalize on his own plans and policies (which were handed out at the caucuses), but Grant will benefit from the growing dissatisfaction with where the country is now and where it's headed, and a bit of backlash with the whole Larry Craig thing (Idaho Repubs are not exactly energized this year), and also the fact that well, he's running against Bill Sali....  :D


      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:33:34 PM PST

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