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  •  I posted to her that I think that she (1+ / 0-)
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    was missing her mark with the diary.

    She made a comment about people that own guns that I do not agree with. If you own a gun and are responsible about it, fine. I would rather they were all gone from the world, but that isn't ever going to happen. You posted an inflammatory comment about how a gun would save a woman in Iraq without considering the social issues within the culture that make them wear the headscarf in the first place, and that gets them killed. It is ridiculous to suggest that an oppressed woman in Iraq will have the resources to purchase or steal a gun to protect herself. And your comments have made me realize that there is a huge divide between the experiences of women and men that I thought were getting closer. If you think personal guns are the solution to helping women not be systematically murdered you and I really do not have much in common that would help us each to try to understand each other and help these women. That is sad.

    •  You can't be serious! (0+ / 0-)

      It is ridiculous to suggest that an oppressed woman in Iraq will have the resources to purchase or steal a gun to protect herself.

      What, you think women in Iraq are helpless and lack resources? Iraq is lousy with guns, which are easily available for sale anywhere, and has plenty of tough women, just like every other country in the world does.

      "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

      by Ivan on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 07:05:29 AM PST

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      •  spend some time working in a (1+ / 0-)
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        battered women's shelter and then come talk to me about tough, strong women. They are amazing, they are strong and that have fought for their lives and some win, some lose. One woman that I knew was shot to death on the steps of the courthouse by her ex after doing all the right things, getting the restraining order, etc. She did not have the time to defend herself from that gun. He got her from behind, in public.

        Being strong and amazing does not mean that a person has access to guns, or needs a gun.  I fully admit that the only women that I know who have lived in the middle east don't now, so my knowledge is anecdotal, but considering that it is difficult for abused women in the US to even leave the home of their abuser, let alone get a gun and use that to protect themselves in most cases I can't imagine how difficult it is in the Middle East. This is not about guns. It is about society and misogyny and education and a myriad of other things.

        I am sad that you apparently don't have much understanding of abused women or psychology or society. It must be nice to live in your world, have a gun, save yourself. Everyone else is weak. Black and white, how nice for you.

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