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  •  supposedly unless you are EATING the lead paint (0+ / 0-)

    it's not going to do real damage but given that kids DO put toys in their mouths that is much more serious.

    •  Yup (1+ / 0-)
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      anyone who has a toddler in love with Thomas the Tank Engine knows that. My son carried around a train clutched in his sweaty little fist for years. It was Percy, not James, but still, he never put it down. Can you imagine that red lead based paint soaking into his system through his sweaty little palm during those years. Thankfully, he'd outgrown this phase when the toy recalls came. And there were so many toys that had high levels of lead that were recalled, including baby dishes adn toys for infants. They chew on their toys. That's what babies do.

      God is busy somewhere else and left Chad Vader in charge of earth.

      by Grassroots Mom on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:25:44 PM PST

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      •  you would imagine from recent press (6+ / 0-)

        about lead paint that toys is much more of a problem, but you would be wrong.  The #1 cause of lead poisoning among children is lead from deteriorated paint and lead in soil.  It does not have to be ingested in chip form, although that is a problem.  Window sashes and door jams opening and closing cause a minute dust that gets on floors, toys, furniture.  This is ingested when babies and toddlers touch these surfaces, then put their hands  in their mouths.   Also lead pipes and solder in plumbing are another significant source of lead poisoning.

        Legislation forcing building owners to clean up the hazards is very difficult to pass. In NYC it took years to pass effective legislation and then it was held up in the courts for more years.  Thankfully, it finally was put in to effect.  Unfortunately, I have heard that some landlords are refusing to rent to families with children under seven to avoid portions of the law.

        I have a child who had elevated lead levels and am undergoing an extensive program of abatement in my home.  It has been very difficult (emotionally and physically) and costly for us.  I know a lead law similar to NYC's would be impossible to pass nationally at this time.  The tax credit sounds like an excellent way to get compliance from landlords and help people like me.

        I have a friend who is a specialist in public health. She works for Consumer reports.  She told me that lead paint in housing is the largest public health threat that exists for children--larger than lack of health insurance.  She said that the US government has kept a lid on this information because the magnitude of the problem is so huge--almost impossible to deal with.

        Also, don't be too sure your house is free of lead paint because it was built in 1964 (unless you live in NYC), lead paint wasn't banned until 1978.

        Had to pipe in, this has become an avocation for me.

        •  thanks.... (0+ / 0-)

          I agree toys should have no lead.  But for real problems, check the literature no the fact that your child has this toy and now you are worried about lead.  This is a poverty issue as well as a consumer safety issue.  Both are real and serious issues.  Obama's quality legislation addressed consumer safety- good.  Hillary's lead bill addressed people in inner cities living in poverty who are renters and who can't get things cleaned up very well- or even don't know how big a problem that housing stock is until their own child suffers the problem.  jahngra- I hope things go well for you and your child in getting the lead out of their system.  Imagine now that you didn't take your kid in for well baby care and someone checked on a screen for lead.  

          My research focuses of risk from some heavy metals and I know they are out there in abundance.  This diary was someone reading a lot of bills and then judging which bill they thought was more significant.  My comment addressed one area in which I know some information.  I appreciate that both candidates care about the two aspects of this issue.  I feel the diary was informative but a little "gut-check" on this one aspect because of the diarists familiarity with the toy.  I am responding as you are in the tradition of "ask a kossack".  There are a lot of us who know a lot about some very obscure subjets and the advantage of this blog is when we chime in.

          You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

          by murrayewv on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 09:34:47 AM PST

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          •  Not just a poverty issue. (1+ / 0-)
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            We live in a quickly yuppifying town of old victorian houses.  Kids of affluent families are at risk and getting poisoned.  Most parents have the misconception that their kids have to ingest a lot to even show up on the radar (as another poster said).  They get a quick lesson at the scheduled screenings.  Our daughter is fine.  Really her level was borderline, but we know that today's borderline is tomorrow's level of action.  She is now doing great.  By the time our second daughter was tested she showed "no measurable level", none at all-I was incredibly happy. Thanks for your concern. Now I get to worry about toxins in fish and PBDE.  Yes, I am a neurotic mom, but not without cause.  Also, I just wanted to say this is my husbands account, but I just really felt I needed to post.

    •  Kids will put anything into their mouths... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...Including paint chips from older paint.
      Not to negate the danger from lead paint based toys,  but there is a lot more chipping paint and many goober fisted kids who will chew down on anything handy than there are toxic toys.

      Both are problems that should be addressed- I wonder how much the media scrutiny on the toxic toys has brought that above the toxic paint in the public consciousness.  

      Prejudice is always dangerous. (Sister Wendy Beckett)

      by SnowCountry on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 10:55:10 PM PST

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