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  •  looseheadprop's post (6+ / 0-)

    was intellectually sloppy, at best, but it's that type of framing that will be used.

    what it comes down to is this: look what they did to kerry and gore, what they tried to do to bill clinton, what they did to dukakis. rezko will be a household word. obama's self-described "bonehead" move will be spun into something sinister. so will obama's middle name. so will every other shrill or hyperbolic accusation, conflation, or misrepresentation. that's what they do.

    if obama wins the nomination, it will all come, with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of advertising and a suddenly compliant corporate media to support it and sell it. it will work very well in red states, and to some degree in purple states. that doesn't mean it will cost obama the election (should he be nominated), but it does mean it will be a much longer, harder, dirtier campaign that people realize. it will be painful and infuriating in ways that will make the primary wars seem a holiday on a cruise ship. be prepared.

    •  I agree, hence think we should get out in front (4+ / 0-)

      of it and explore ways to neuter it -- if it's really not a big deal, and Obama's other accomplishments far outweigh it, then let's build that narrative and a method to help us redirect attacks.

      :)

      Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
        Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
      Tempest even in reason's seat.

      by GreyHawk on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:46:20 PM PST

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      •  Neuter it? (4+ / 0-)

        Okay, here's my plan:

        Suspend the election until 95% of the American public can read and is culturally literate, not to mention able to read, say, Saul Kripke and make meaningful observations.

        Barring that there is no neutering of the Right wing hate machine.

        "Capital consists of living labor serving dead labor for the maintenance and expansion of the latter." --Karl Marx

        by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:49:42 PM PST

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        •  That's a bit pessimistic. (3+ / 0-)
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          It ~can~ be minimized and mitigated, if not neutered.

          We have to work together, however, to manage it and expose the b.s. -- sort of like exposing Faux News and Bill-O, etc.

          Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
            Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
          Tempest even in reason's seat.

          by GreyHawk on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:51:54 PM PST

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          •  Well, not every Obama supporter is a hope monger (2+ / 0-)
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            "Capital consists of living labor serving dead labor for the maintenance and expansion of the latter." --Karl Marx

            by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:53:22 PM PST

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            •  Heh -- that's also good to point out. ;) (0+ / 0-)

              It's still important that we address the items that may strike at either candidate -- before we have a nominee -- or the RWNM gets too much time to plant their festering boils.

              Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
                Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
              Tempest even in reason's seat.

              by GreyHawk on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:55:00 PM PST

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          •  I think Daily Kos can be a resource (3+ / 0-)
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            for quick response to lies and exaggerations that get into the media.  However, I have brought this up several times here and have been attacked for suggesting that Obama might need any defending.  It might also be a good idea for Obama supporters to stop trying to drive everyone who isn't crazy in love with their candidate into leaving here.  This needs to be a united effort, IMHO.

            "We can disagree without being disagreeable." -- Barack Obama

            by Boston Boomer on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 04:26:19 PM PST

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      •  Eventually Obama will have to address (3+ / 0-)
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        the Rezko stuff.  I'm sure he would rather do it after he has the nomination sewn up.  So far, he has just dimissed it out of hand.  But there is no evidence that he did anything really bad, and certainly no more than the average politician with connections.

        Obama does have a 20-year, close relationship with Rezko, so it will definitely come up.  The trial is supposed to start on Feb. 25, so we'll have to see what comes up during the trial.  I'm sure if Obama had done something wrong, he would be called as a witness, and I haven't heard anything about that happening.  

        Rezko took Obama under his wing when Obama was at Harvard.  I'm sure Obama had no clue the guy would later be indicted for fraud.  Obama's law firm represented Rezko in getting a lot of government money to build housing.  Then he kept the money instead of paying for heat and water for the tenents.  The law firm probably should have known about that, and people may have complained to Obama who was their state rep.

        On the house, there is a serious error in the rec'd diary.  It says that Rezko had been indicted when the house deal took place.  That's not true.  Rezko was being investigated, and Obama knew it, but he hadn't been indicted for anything.  Michele worked on for the city at the time of the house deal and probably helped make it happen faster than if she hadn't had connections.

        The thing about Ayers is total bullshit.  The guy was a '60s radical who was in the weathermen.  He is now a distinguished academic.  He wrote a book about his experiences in the '60s.  He only gave $200 to the campaign.  I guess he and Obama are friends.  He sounds like an interesting guy.

        I don't know about that third guy, but it sounds like a tenuous connection.  I can't believe Larry Johnson has gone all National Enquirer like this.

        "We can disagree without being disagreeable." -- Barack Obama

        by Boston Boomer on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 04:23:26 PM PST

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        •  More debunking here (2+ / 0-)
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          1. Rezko was a sleazy businessman, who like most of his ilk, insinuate themselves into politics by donating to politicians.  Show us where Obama did him any favors, abused the trust of his office, or was corrupted in any way by Rezko.  Every politician must cultivate relationships with the business communities they represent, and few make it a point to investigate every business donor before criminal charges have been brought against them.  You don't have to like everyone you have lunch with, but if you are a conscientious politician you keep an open door and give everyone an ear.  That's how you get elected and stay in office. That's called serving your constituency.
          1. Bill Ayers may have had an extremist youth, but that was 40 years ago. He is a distinguished college professor, and served on the Woods Foundation board along with Obama. They shared a commitment to community organizing for the benefit of the poorest amongst us. That's what the Woods Fund is all about. Many politicians serve for lucrative salaries on corporate boards (Hillary was on Wal-Marts) that trample on their worker's rights, bust unions, emit toxins, destroy the environment, and unfairly compete.  Obama can be congratulated on using his free time to sit on a board which worked to fund poverty projects that would lift people up. That Bill Ayers also dedicated his own free time to such an endeavor, redeems him from his former days of wanting to tear down the system through violence.

          In politics if a college professor and fellow poverty-program board member believes in you, respects you because they work with you, and wants to help you out in your first campaign, how is this a problem? If you turned down every offer of a fund-raiser based on a person's 40-year ago youthful past, you'd have no fund-raisers.  Dubya certainly had a drug-filled, drunken, even AWOL, past which the Republicans said he'd redeemed through conversion to Christianity.  Well, Ayers redeemed himself by service to the community as a teacher, and as a community organizer, and by participating in the electoral process (votes, not bombs).

          1. Khalidi:  Iran must be understood if we are to make effective, non-hysterical, foreign policy.  Obama is a deep thinker, and noted for wanting to hear all sides of an issue.  I am very glad that he has the intellectual integrity to listen to those he might disagree with. Knowledge is power, and he seeks it out. Listening to everyone is a virtue. Having a dialogue is not the same as agreeing.  Those who listen only to those whose ideologies match their own, are Bush/Cheney-ites.  Look where that intellectual smugness and arrogance have gotten us.

          As to Khalidi's supposed ties to the PLO--well if you want to solve the seemingly intractable Middle East dilemma, other than imposing some hare-brained Washingon-created solution on unwilling Palestinians, you might want to know the Palestinian position on things.  And how can you know their perspective unless you talk to the folks they talk to?  Clinton, to his credit, kept open the lines of communication with the PLO, and nearly brokered a peace.  Obama can do this as well, but only if he is seen as someone willing to listen to all sides. Unlike Bush/Cheney. No talk, no peace. Failed policy.

          So, what look to you as problems on the surface, upon investigation, look to me as proof of Obama's qualifications for leadership.

          •  Good stuff, from both you and Boomer. (1+ / 0-)
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            Thanks!

            Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
              Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
            Tempest even in reason's seat.

            by GreyHawk on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:35:50 PM PST

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          •  Great stuff. (1+ / 0-)
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            Interesting about Khalidi.  I'm going to look into that more.  Meanwhile, I'm saving your comment for future reference.  

            I think the most important thing that we can do as bloggers is respond very quickly with e-mails and faxes whenever one of these issues comes up in the media.  I can see having information and links ready here at dkos so that people can quickly correct inaccurate reports and complain about distortions.  We can't sit around waiting for the candidate to do it as happened with Kerry in 2004.  This isn't just about one person.  This is about all of us and our country.

            "We can disagree without being disagreeable." -- Barack Obama

            by Boston Boomer on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:43:58 PM PST

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