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  •  Rec'd for keepin' it real (9+ / 0-)

    Research - Wow!
    Once again, thanks so much dhonig.  

    •  I agree, Hillary is an Asset to the Party (5+ / 0-)

      and I also believe she should stay in the Senate putting out wonderful bills like the ones sited in this diary.  I do not believe, due to her stand on the war, that she'd be a good president.  She's a War Hawk.  She claims to represent the millions who can't speak -- but yet, what does she think of the 100,000+ women and children in Iraq who not only can't speak but were denied life due to her careless backing of Bush's march to war.  What's scary to me is that unlike Edwards, she's not admitted any regrets about this.  To the contrary, not more than 6 months ago she voted for Kyl-Lieberman (Obama was against) this horrible bill that Sen Webb said "has the danger of becoming a de facto authorization for military force against Iran."   She's gravely misguided when it comes to her positions on American aggression.

      •  Umm, try one MILLION (4+ / 0-)

        One million people died as a result of the invasion and occupation of Iraq.  Lancet came out with a new estimate about a month ago.  I don't have a link, but I'm sure TheGoogle could help you out.

        Civic spirit drowns in a hurricane of mere survivalism - McKenzie Wark

        by cfaller96 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:26:38 AM PST

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        •  why isn't this a bigger issue? (0+ / 0-)

          it seems people just have a single check-box about this:

          [ ]  Gets us out of Iraq

          It's just quite stunning to me that so much loss of life can be shrugged off.  I was in D.C. in the run-up to the AUMF.  No one, I mean NO ONE truly believed the media spin, it was there to sell the war to the American Public.  Everyone in D.C. knew it was about securing oil reserves, the Democrats were afraid that it'd be a quick in-and-out like 1992 and didn't want to be left out of the fun.  Hillary continues to support the concept of preemptive wars is the unsung tragedy, it's instead reduced to a procedural problem --that she was "lied" to.  Continuing to permote these sorts of militant powers 5 years later in kyl-lieberman is simply stunning.

          •  I think we're going to find out later (0+ / 0-)

            how much MORE important this issue was to Dem voters than Hillary or the Beltway crowd believed.  It was a big deal to Connecticut Dems in 2006 with Lieberman, I'm not sure why Hillary and her supporters fell into thinking that the Iraq War was "just another issue" that people could be softened up on by talking about health care.  Or something.

            Last summer you could see a whole bunch of Beltway pundits were imagining that the Iraq War was "fading" as an important topic to discuss.  But as Markos (or somebody) said, it wasn't that it was no longer important, it was just that the discussion was over- the vast majority of Americans (and a huuuuuge majority of Dems) want to get the hell out of Iraq, period.  Again, I don't understand why some Dems (and a lot of Hillary supporters) think that Iraq could be swept under the rug.

            It's a big deal, and I guess it will take some time for people to realize that (again).

            Civic spirit drowns in a hurricane of mere survivalism - McKenzie Wark

            by cfaller96 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 08:45:57 AM PST

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