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  •  Glad to hear the Obama campaign is so on the ball (22+ / 0-)

    in Cleveland, since that is where I will be going to help out March 2-4.

    ;) Jim

    Hey Hillary: How did you go from "It takes a (whole) village" to "It takes a (solitary) President"?

    by Jim in Chicago on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:20:28 PM PST

    •  awesome (7+ / 0-)

      i hope to be somewhere march 1-4 - still dont' know where yet (driving over from chicago, so likely close).

      In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope. We Want Change.

      by bsmcneil on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:22:14 PM PST

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      •  also (10+ / 0-)

        driving from chicago to go pitch in in the cleveland area the weekend before the primary. first time ever doing something like this, and beyond excited--how cool is it to be a part of such an inspiring and effective movement? :)

        Oui, nous pouvons!

        by imisa on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:31:24 PM PST

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        •  I am waiting to hear exactly where they will use (3+ / 0-)
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          me. Could be in the East suburbs where I will be staying with my wife's family or could be Cleveland proper.

          If it turns out we'll be working in the same place, I always enjoy meeting another Chicago Kossack. Email me at jim@anotherdadfordean.com if/when you know where you'll be working from.

          Oh and to answer your question: C'est vachement chouette! ;)

          Hey Hillary: How did you go from "It takes a (whole) village" to "It takes a (solitary) President"?

          by Jim in Chicago on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 12:36:30 AM PST

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      •  A key to effective activism... (19+ / 0-)

        ... is to maximize every contact. The Obama campaign understands this.

        So many grassroots efforts limit themselves to what I call the one bump.  You bump into someone, ask them to sign the petition, move on.

        But that signature can become so much more. Ask the person to volunteer. Get their email, their fax, their cell phone, their Facebook/Myspace ID.

        Ask them to come in with their address book and write short, personal notes on pre-prepared mailers to all their friends.

        Ask them to donate. Have an event lined up to invite them to next, a rally or house party or mailing party or potluck, so that they stay in the loop and stay energized.

        Provide each contact with the addresses and emails to send Letters to the Editor, to their elected officials, to other decision-makers.

        Find out what their skills are...  Do they enjoy door-to-door work? Phonebanking? No? How about a more private activity. Good at painting lawn signs? Researching corporate histories? Reading reports and permit applications?

        Effective campaigns go beyond that one bump and squeeze ten, twelve, twenty bumps out of core supporters, parlaying them into new supporters.

        Obama will win if this Cleveland anecdote is representative of the overall campaign.

        "Animals are my friends. And I don't eat my friends." -- George Bernard Shaw

        by Hudson on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:33:49 PM PST

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    •  a bit uneasy about involving a church (1+ / 0-)
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      it smacks of the buddist thing the RW slammed Gore for

      "I will sink federalism into an abyss from which there shall be no resurrection..." Thomas Jefferson

      by tony the American Mutt on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:31:23 PM PST

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      •  No matter how secular you are, (5+ / 0-)
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        you have to admit how much of a role churches, no matter what faith they represent, play in the social fabric of our society. Think of how many social and civic events, that may have nothing to do with religion, are held at churches.

        •  it is flirting with the tax laws (0+ / 0-)

          and the role it plays is supposed to be separate...

          "I will sink federalism into an abyss from which there shall be no resurrection..." Thomas Jefferson

          by tony the American Mutt on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:40:57 PM PST

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          •  Tax laws? (5+ / 0-)

            Money isn't involved in this. Just think of how often churches are used as polling places.

            •  If they're paying to use the church facilities (3+ / 0-)
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              no problem there -- the City Council in our old hometown would use our church's parish hall for community meetings quite often, and we rent the facilities to all sorts of groups for their activities or meetings.

              You're only as popular as the last diary/comment you posted. -- Zachpunk

              by Cali Scribe on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 11:04:30 PM PST

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              •  same here in PA (3+ / 0-)
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                a good deal of our polling places are located in churches or schools. But the church staff has nothing whatsoever to do with it.  They just rent out space to the county or often just donate space. But the church employees and members have nothing at all to do with that.

                An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity.

                by wishingwell on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 02:22:54 AM PST

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              •  the campaign leases churches for the day (1+ / 0-)
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                That's been the case when I have attended events in a church.  Aside from the traditional role churches play in the fabric of many communities, another reason to use the buildings is they can hold a lot of people.  (That's not a trivial issue regarding this campaign, when even a rally from local activists to sign up volunteers -- with no out-of-state guests, much less the candidate himself -- inspires hundreds of people to show up on 1-2 days notice.)

                The crowds may be unique to this campaign, but the use of churches that I have seen does not breach the ways campaigns have used churches throughout my life.

                •  It's called (2+ / 0-)
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                  spending around money and it is important... I wish they would spend more on the grassroots things, churches, grange halls, local newsletters, local radio, local, local, local...and hire local people for precincpt captains... thousands of them instead of spending all that money on the Political Industrial Complex of pollsters, media buyers, and "advisors" who cost millions as well as the ads themselves that sway hardly anyone....If they took that moeny and did more of the grassroots work they would build a permenant grassroots operation.

                  Also they should help build community centers for meetings that are not only churches... the more places we have to gather as grassroots in our communities the faster we will take over the Democratic Party.

                  more front page posts on grassroots organizing...this is the way to change.

                  don't link to MSM; support your alternative grassroots media by linking to them

                  by john from vermont on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 06:13:22 AM PST

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                •  except that was not what they were doing (0+ / 0-)

                  again, only based on this diary they were not holding a rally someone who belontgs to that church was distributing 'freebies' for a single candidate and the finacial arrangements are not clear in that case. now if they act as a ticket outlet for other events that is something else, but somehow i really doubt that :)

                  "I will sink federalism into an abyss from which there shall be no resurrection..." Thomas Jefferson

                  by tony the American Mutt on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:19:23 AM PST

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          •  Only if the (2+ / 0-)
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            Church itself endorses a candidate or a party uses a Church as a political action arm.   That does happen, and I agree with you on those incidents, but this is not the case in this example.

            Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

            by bythesea on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 11:02:40 PM PST

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      •  You do realize (3+ / 0-)
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        that many of us vote in church auditoriums or even basements, right?  I have in the last two primaries I've participated in. It really depends on how the space and situation is used.

        Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

        by bythesea on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 11:00:32 PM PST

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        •  Yes, I've voted (0+ / 0-)

          in a variety of churches, schools, and most recently, an abandoned Fanny Mae candy store.  Only if the church is used to actually endorse or promote the candidate is there an issue.

        •  you do realize this is not voting at issue here (0+ / 0-)

          don't you? you do read the diaries and posts before replying don't you? this is a church promoting the rally of ONE candidate. this is not a voting issue it's a church/state issue and potentially for that church a tax issue.

          "I will sink federalism into an abyss from which there shall be no resurrection..." Thomas Jefferson

          by tony the American Mutt on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:22:03 AM PST

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          •  My impression was that (0+ / 0-)

            it was a rally that occurred in a church's space that promoted a candidate.  Is the church officially endorsing?  If so I didn't get that from the diary, and would agree with you if that were the case.

            Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

            by bythesea on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 10:11:27 PM PST

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      •  here in PA, voting precincts are often (1+ / 0-)
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        located in the basement of local churches or the social hall. But it is completely disengaged and unrelated to the church. The county just uses some schools and churches for polling places.

        An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity.

        by wishingwell on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 02:21:25 AM PST

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        •  and that is fine (1+ / 0-)
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          using a private space of any kind seperate from the main purpose is a traditional and OK way to do it. In a lot of cases it is the best location with enough space. That is not the issue since when people vote (hopefully) there is not someone there making sure they vote 'right' and i have problem with that. the issue HERE is someone who seems to be representing the church (if not, and just someone on that corner handing out these 'free' tickets' let me know) at least as presented in this diary is handing out 'freebies' for one candidate ONLY. that is engaging in campaigning and should make them wary.

          "I will sink federalism into an abyss from which there shall be no resurrection..." Thomas Jefferson

          by tony the American Mutt on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:17:17 AM PST

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    •  Ohio (2+ / 0-)
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      Sounds like someone is ready to govern from day one...and it doesn't sound like that person is HRC.

      I'm so stoked seeing these posts about Ohio. I still remember the sinking feeling in my gut when I realized it had fallen to the goopers in 2004, guaranteeing another 4 years of Chimpy McCodpiece. It's feeling especially good to watch it go purple, practically before my eyes.

    •  Add the Teamsters to the GOTV effort in Ohio (2+ / 0-)
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      Having just endorsed Barack Obama the Teamsters are going to add significant burst of energy to the GOTV activities.

      Barack Obama in 2008! Change We Can Believe In!

      by aj4runner on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:13:00 AM PST

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