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  •  In days past... (16+ / 0-)

    you'd be able to say, "Sure." You don't get convicted over nothing. People don't just make things up and then bring them before judges they've hand-picked and placed on the bench.

    The most serious problem arising from this is that that assumption is no longer operative.

    That is a serious, serious, serious problem.

    You literally can't assume anything anymore.

    That's horrific, if you really stop to think about what it means.

    •  first they came for the governor... (4+ / 0-)

      hope Rove FINALLY goes down for this

      We are the ones we've been waiting for...The Elders, Arizona Hopi Nation

      by lisastar on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 10:21:24 AM PST

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    •  I agree, this is very serious (4+ / 0-)
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      I just dont want this to be another case of the dems shooting themselves in the foot, standing up for someone who is guilty.

      Many observers believe Fidel Castro will either be replaced by his brother Raul, or by his idiot son, Fidel W. Castro.

      by DanFreeman on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 10:25:38 AM PST

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      •  Not to worry. (6+ / 0-)

        The charges and the prosecution were bogus.

        If we continue to accumulate only power and not wisdom, we will surely destroy ourselves. -Carl Sagan

        by LightningMan on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 10:30:36 AM PST

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      •  That's the system. (5+ / 0-)

        Or what it used to be.

        You used to be able to ask questions about these things, and those questions were the protection that defendants and bystanders alike had that their rights would not be violated (or simply destroyed) by the officious weight of the federal government.

        All trials involve someone standing up for someone who is, or might be, guilty. As do subsequent appeals.

        Fearing to stand up and ask those questions is how we got to the point where a federal indictment was reason enough to run away. Well, that and the reservoir of trust in federal law enforcement that used to be well-grounded.

        But the Bush-Cheney "administration" discovered early on that that fear (and that now-depleted reservoir of trust) would as often as not enable them to remove political opponents from the playing field entirely, and put them beyond the reach of public opinion or public questions about the charges leveled against them.

        We keep waiting for the "perfect" ground on which to make some stand against this. And instead find ourselves pushed off of one square after another, until we're finally retroactively immunizing domestic spying, looking the other way on torture, etc.

      •  The "52 present and former state AGs" should (8+ / 0-)

        mitigate your concern.

        At any other time and place, he would not have been prosecuted, twice, until convicted on these charges.

        Purely political.

        It's full of stars... T. Roosevelt: Great thoughts speak only to the thoughtful mind, but great actions speak to all mankind.

        by Terra Mystica on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 10:46:21 AM PST

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      •  Not a chance he's guilty (4+ / 0-)
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        Josiah Bartlett, Philpm, lightfoot, Matt Z

        TIME Investigation:
        "Tipping the Scales of Justice in Alabama"
        On News Stands OCT 8, 2007!

        Then there is Scot Horton in Harper's who has written dozens of posts on the case. One of them entitled
        Siegelman in the Iron Mask.

        This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

        by Agathena on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 10:51:52 AM PST

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    •  Exactly!!! Especially over political leanings. It (4+ / 0-)

      goes to the very heart of our way of life.  And that's not an exaggeration I don't believe.

      The guy's in prison!  Incommunicado, pending a deliberately delayed appeal.  The judges and USAs involved were operating at the direction of the White House/Rove (demostrable fact)

      As you said:

      That is a serious, serious, serious problem.

      This happened to someone that no one thought it could happen to (please forgive the grammar), and someone, as a popular governor, that has vastly more resources and political friends than any of the rest of us have.

      Again thanks...

      It's full of stars... T. Roosevelt: Great thoughts speak only to the thoughtful mind, but great actions speak to all mankind.

      by Terra Mystica on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 10:43:02 AM PST

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      •  Your Grammar's Fine (2+ / 0-)
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        lightfoot, Terra Mystica

        The corporations, in cooperation with the Republicans, have for several years been clandestinely funding elections for local judges, state legislators, even county councils. The "You Owe Me" theme is creeping down from Capitol Hill to Main Street. This isn't outright bribery, it's "campaign funding" in most cases.

        There oughtta be a law, or dozens of them.

        Give me a minute and I'll find the link.

        For a sardonic laugh, go here: Sic Semper Tyrannus.

        by JG in MD on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 12:22:02 PM PST

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