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    Then where's a link?

    The problem with Obama's "present" votes is that he cast an unusual number of them - and that, in general, he seems remarkably undisposed to take a stand on anything controversial.

    With Obama, it is all about feeling good about feeling good.

    The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

    by al Fubar on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 01:44:24 PM PST

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    •  Here's the documentation. (4+ / 0-)
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      Setting the Record Straight

      Planned Parenthood Chicago President and CEO Steve Trombley:

      Barack Obama has always been committed to a woman’s right to choose. He has a 100% pro-choice voting record both in the U.S. Senate and the Illinois Senate.

      Barack Obama has NEVER wavered.

      You wouldn’t know this from Illinois NOW’s recent statements on Obama’s record. The fact is that it is NOT Obama who has wavered, Illinois NOW is the one who’s changed its mind.

      When Obama was an Illinois state senator he worked with Planned Parenthood to develop a strategy combating a series of extreme anti-choice measures designed to paint pro-choice legislators into a corner. Obama and numerous other state senators voted "present" on these bills in order to protest the politicization of the health and safety of Illinois women. Illinois is one of the few states that allows legislators to voice their objections to legislation through a "present" vote. These "present" votes are counted in the official roll call of the bill, and they DO affect the outcome. For all intents and purposes, they are a vote against the bill. As a matter of fact, Senator Obama wanted to vote "no" on these bills. But, he stood with his colleagues in protest against the anti-choice extremists who controlled the Illinois Senate at the time.

      Ethical, open, honest government. Yes We Can.

      by mistersite on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 01:53:30 PM PST

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      •  As documented elsewhere over and over again (3+ / 0-)
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        a present vote in the Illinois senate is a vote to defeat the bill.  Because to pass a bill in the senate requires an absolute majority, not a majority of those voting, a present vote has true meaning.  Let this issue go.  It is crap.

        Impeachment! Indictment! Incarceration!

        by followyourbliss on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 02:04:18 PM PST

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        •  I understand the argument ... (1+ / 0-)
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          And it is hard to evaluate in itself without being conversant in the arcana of the IL state legislature. The reason it has salience is that it points to a bigger concern about Obama - his vagueness, apparent conflict averseness, and lack of definite stands on much of anything.

          People say to visit his website, but how many people ever go to a website. His public rhetoric is what he asks to be judged by, and all I hear is Fourth of July bromides, however resonantly delivered.

          The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

          by al Fubar on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 02:24:52 PM PST

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          •  You don't get it... (2+ / 0-)
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            it IS a stand on an issue -- not only a stand but a valid well-measured determination.  You cannot claim it means nothing by escaping responsibility for your opinion by saying gee, I don't know "without being conversant in the arcana of the IL state legislature" and then condemn him for your ignornance.

            Impeachment! Indictment! Incarceration!

            by followyourbliss on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 02:47:25 PM PST

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