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  •  who needs SS? or cops or firemen or schools (0+ / 0-)

    etc, anyway--all "paternalism"--and all for the common good---like healthcare.

    You can't opt out of SS or taxes. You can't opt out of local property taxes even if you have no kids in school. There are excellent reasons for that--we all benefit from educating our kids. We all benefit from a healthy population too.

    And then, he farted candy and rainbows...

    by amberglow on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 05:56:24 PM PST

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    •  Regretably (0+ / 0-)

      You do not know what you are talking about.  Paternalism is when you take away the individuals liberty and autonomy to make decisions for themselves.

      Police and fire are public goods.  You pay for them through taxes.

      The equivalent for these services under mandates would be that everyone would have to buy their own fire and police protection in the marketplace.

      That is just foolish.  So is a mandate.  

      The equivalent of fire and police in health care is a single payer system that is paid for through taxes.  Unfortunately that option does not seem to be on the table.

      Health care is a human right.

      by Helenann on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 08:37:25 PM PST

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      •  Taxes are mandatory--a mandate (0+ / 0-)

        Health care is a public good too--and you can't even try to get to single-payer until you mandate it with subsidies and an expansion of Medicare.

        And then, he farted candy and rainbows...

        by amberglow on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:31:53 PM PST

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